The Menendez Brothers: Innocent or Guilty? (Reupload)

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Yay, the whole episode is up now! This is the second longest one I've written this far (the longest is coming out soon!) so I hope everybody enjoyed...you know, as much as you can enjoy horrible stories about murder and abuse. For everyone that was hear yesterday, 1:38:00 is about where we left off. And for anyone who gets the reference, one of the title cards was supposed to be Judge Weisberg Does Everything Twice Twice (Totally get why Simon assumed it was a typo) Also, apologies to Mark Jackson and his fans. I for some reason write Johnson the first time, despite looking directly at the card, then just referred back to the incorrect name I had written at the start.

Two happy divorced parents are definitely better than 2 unhappy parents that stay together.

My husband went to school with the boys. He said the family was sick, and he couldnt stand stand being near the father, that he was creepy and very touchy....and he is still so very sad that the boys were convicted, he knows those boys were physically and mentally abused. It is such a sad thing that boys and men are to this day not considered TRULY sex abuse victims.

there were also naked photos of them found from around at 6-8. from the chest down. found in an envelope with kitty’s handwriting on it. very dark and upsetting that they got life without parole.

Dad Simon gushing over his kid(s) is downright adorable.

It is absolutely possible he decided to get Kitty pregnant 'all on his own'. She wouldn't divorce him, nonconsenual sex between spouses wasn't rape and abortion was off the table. Husbands were privy to their wives medical records at the time as well, so no hiding birth control, if she were even inclined to use it.

That ending was totally unexpected. I really do think the fact that they were abused makes a massive difference, they deserve a new trial. As a survivor of childhood physical and mental abuse, it really does mess with your head. It feels like living in a war zone and you’re constantly on edge. I would be lying if I had never considered ending the scumbag that abused me, at the time and every now and then since.

countless defense witnesses (including many family members) believe the brothers 100% and i think that says a lot.

It still irks me to no end that Saturday Night Live mocked the brother's testimony of their abuse...! They made a skit mocking s*xual abuse. They're absolutely disgusting.

As of Dec 1st 2023 they still have not gotten a retrial or reduced sentence. Their lawyer is working on it.

I remember my mom stood very firm on the boys being abused.Mostly because my uncle was in prison with Eric for a time and said he believed his side of things and that he was a really nice kid.

It’s amazing how things have changed. I was in high school in the 80’s. It was absolutely the belief that boys couldn’t be sexually abused. Really that stuck around right in to the 2000’s. I think the phrase “Over convicted” is spot on

I thought I was going crazy when the episode went missing.

Wow, we really were just fed one side of the story here in America. This video totally changed my mind how I felt about this trial. I was around 15 when it was televised and everyone I knew thought they were completely guilty.

First time I've ever felt the least bit of sympathy for the M Bros. The media really did a number on them back in the day.

You've also got Jose and Kitty's siblings coming out in support of the brothers as well. Very well researched and I'll be interested to see where this case goes in the future. I definitely hope they get a retrial, because the way the judge handled that second trial was ridiculous.

On their comment of "being sociopaths" to the therapist, aside from accepting a label thrown at them by a therapist when they confess to murder: At least one was diagnosed with PTSD. When you have pretty severe PTSD, sometimes your empathy can, essentially, "switch off," in a way. To kids who have probably heard the term psychopath, then finds themself having periods of reduced empathy, mixed with anger that they do not see in other people... it isn't unreasonable to assume that they could have genuinely believed that. Then they had three years for that anger to somewhat resolve itself, leaving pain, shame, self hatred, isolation, ect., to fill a part of you that had only had hate and fear in it for most of your life.

I am from a household similar to theirs which made me not react to much until my heart sank to my stomach when I heard "was no longer in its aquarium" because I share a room with my rabbit who looks like the one Jen edited in except with blue eyes. I couldn't imagine that happening to him and to think that someone had the heart to bash in a soft fluffy and innocent being's skull and throw it into the garbage ー disgusting. Yet the father reminded me of my own.

I think this episode exemplifies the rule "Don't screw up your kids " More than any other CC so far .Such an incredibly dark ,strange and very,very disturbed family .Those boys were always going to be a mess in one way or another, despite all the privilege and opportunity .