The Magician’s Twin, with David Berlinski, Stephen Meyer, and James Orr | Uncommon Knowledge
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Published 2024-07-16
In his 1943 book The Abolition of Man, C. S. Lewis wrote: “The serious magical endeavor and the serious scientific endeavor are twins: One was sickly and died, the other strong and throve. But they were twins. They were born of the same impulse.” In this Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson, mathematician and philosopher David Berlinski, intelligent design advocate Stephen Meyer, and Associate Professor of Philosophy of Religion at Cambridge University, James Orr explore the parallels between scientific and magical endeavors, referencing C. S. Lewis's notion that both were born from the same impulse, with one thriving and the other fading. They also explore the historical relationship between science and religion, noting how early scientists such as Newton and Galileo saw their work as uncovering divine order, in contrast with the more secular views of modern scientists such as Steven Weinberg and Stephen Hawking. The discussion also reveals deep philosophical and historical insights into the evolution of scientific thought and its complex relationship with materialism and religion.
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All Comments (21)
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Where has Uncommon Knowledge been? David Berlinski AND Stephen Meyer! Worth the wait.
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David Berlinsky is a man of style.
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I have been waiting for Uncommon Knowledge to flesh out this largely ignored area of knowledge. Thank you so very much!!!
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I feel priviliged to be able to listen to this conversation. What a ride!
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This internet, is golden age: - to be able to just listen and absorb, as much as I can, of these great issues, so marvellously elucidated is such a joy. For an aging man, who left education at 15, who still feels like that 15 year old boy - what a joy. I thank you gentlemen.
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This host/interviewer is absolutely brilliant on his own standing. His quick witted responses and extremely active engagement make this discussion so much more interesting to listen to. I loved this! Please host more of these events and upload them!
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Superb. Thank you Peter for bringing together these three intellectual Titans. I've just finished Stephen's book "Signature in the Cell" which shows in great detail the difficulties of a materialistic evolutionary explanation of abiogenesis and cellular complexity. I'll definitely be getting the other tomes that you referenced by these authors. In a world of woke drivel, what a delight to hear clear, respectful and insightful debate on difficult and deep issues.
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Meyer is like the Michael Jordan among the other players who are just along for the ride. Awesome conversation dazzling to the mind. Thanks, Peter, for inviting such good men.
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The elation of catching a new episode with these guests!! ❤🎉
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Wonderful show. Well done to all. Blessing and well wishes to men and all listening. Hoover keep up the great work. Peter, always a pleasure and thanks for the blooper at the end.
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Wonderfully done (witty, stimulating, and making the interviewing high wire look easy) , per usual Mr. Robinson.
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I remember when Uncommon Knowledge had Meyer and Berlinski on a few years ago. That was a great interview and so was this one!
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I can't remember when I've enjoyed a podcast as much as that!
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I have missed these talks and this series. Let get back to normal.
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I really enjoy listening to you gentlemen but sometimes ya'll make my mind hurt. Keep up the good work!
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What a beautiful tie Dr. Berlinski is wearing. With all that is wrong with the world, it is necessary to my peace of mind to return to undergraduate arguments, often heated but never personal, that carried on, as Mr. Robinson implied, until last call at one’s favorite pub. There is nothing that a materialist can point to which explains how I can sit here today, crippled, in constant pain, and remember my 20s when everything was possible. I can see, smell, hear some of those days so clearly that I might be Reeve’s character in *Somewhere in Time*.
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Thank you gentlemen for that wonderful discussion
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Please make this show a weekly thing. Pretty please..
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My gosh! Another one of the incredible intelligent life & Darwinism conversations from Uncommon knowledge! I can't wait!
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Very good
