I'm Conflicted on Spider-Man 2

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Published 2023-12-10
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So, Marvelā€™s Spider-Man 2 is finally here. Iā€™ve spent the better part of a year talking about this game. Breaking down gameplay, and overall really not doing myself any favors with the ā€œSpider-Man YouTuberā€ allegations. But thatā€™s because this was a game I was incredibly excited for.

And now that itā€™s outā€¦ I have A LOT of thoughts. On the whole, I do really love it. I think in some respects itā€™s the perfect evolution of what Insomnaic Games accomplished with Spider-Man PS4 and Miles Morales. But at the same time, Iā€™m a bit conflicted about the game. Thereā€™s a lot about it thatā€™s great, amazing even, but also a lot that could have been improved.

And so instead of trying to condense all of those complicated thoughts into a single 10 or 20 minute review and calling it a day, I wanted to really take my time, dive in deep and really explain my full thoughts about Spider-Man 2.

For probably... too long

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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
1:49 - Part 1: The First Part
23:16 - Part 2: Harry's Return
50:57 - Part 3: The Black Suit
56:44 - The Side Content
1:06:26 - Part 3: The Black Suit (Cont.)
1:24:53 - Part 4: Absolute Venom
1:49:49 - Things I Forgot
1:52:50 - The Final Mission
2:09:13 - Where to Next?

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All Comments (21)
  • @troyoboyo17
    When I said I had "a lot of thoughts" that was kind of an understatement...
  • @JudgementNutter
    Dude, the fact you always name drop a bunch of comics with their authors instead just the movies or cartoons, mad respect
  • I really love how to find a worthy opponent Kraven had to fight an actual alien. He had to go against a being not of this world in order to find his match.
  • @Lyanraw
    I loved how Miles basically had an arc of wishing Peter had more time for him only to see inside his head and Peters struggles dealing with Aunt Mays death. It's like he realises "oh yeah, Peter is actually a person. He doesn't exist solely to be a mentor to me"
  • @DigitalArctic
    You know a little detail I like in this story? When Symbiote Pete wakes up on the bench in the city his phone says it's 9:46 AM. In the very next cutscene when Peter sees MJ's article before visiting Harry, the time is 4:16 PM... Peter kept Harry waiting for over 6 hours and 30 minutes only to show up at his place and tell him to stuff it Priceless, and it also quietly encourages the player to ignore the story and do side stuff during that time.
  • I'm just saying, if they didn't kill off Shocker, and gave Yuri a "SHOCKER!!!!" moment, he probably would've won best performance
  • The "I'm sorry" that Yuri/Peter screams to the lady literally makes me tear up. Its sounds so genuine and its a wake up call that superheroes can't save everyone, no matter how hard they try.
  • @orangecrust8002
    1:16:39 I think itā€™s less Harry is jealous of Peter and more the fact that the person who wonā€™t give him back his life-saving cure and just told him off less than 30 seconds ago is now being praised by his own father
  • @imbeddeddog7193
    If I had a nickel for every time Miles decided to do a random backflip rather than helping Pete, I would have two nickels. Itā€™s not much but itā€™s weird it happened twice
  • @Kirby_Super
    I've always thought of Venom's goal as just being whatever the host wants because that way its most likely to survive because the host wont want to get rid of it
  • @rosecity_chris
    The Howard mission was PERFECT. God it hit me perfectly. Great choice of song while having you swing around the city and finding out he passed but is at peace. Just beautiful.
  • I think reading into context clues, the reason why Harry becomes Venom after getting the suit back is because Peter influenced it with his anxiety and anger. When Harry has it at the start, it doesnā€™t alter his emotions at all. Throughout the story we see that Peter is really struggling in his personal life, and internally the symbiote is taking on a lot of his emotions while he has it. Heā€™s tired, stressed, possibly even angry and fed up with people even if he doesnā€™t show it. So when it goes back to Harry (whoā€™s already angry at Peter), it takes on Peterā€™s anger as well as emphasising Harryā€™s emotions, turning him into a monster
  • @simply_solo
    i honestly think that the whole ā€œMJā€™s murder rampageā€ is one of the funniest bits youā€™ve ever done šŸ˜‚
  • @pedeace8492
    I wish they gave us a boss fight with Spiderman and venom through out the city like the way they promoted
  • @DudeNamedPear
    i found it weird when the dev said they found spiderman overpowered in stealth when testing and didn't want the gameplay to become repetitive. Spiderman has always been a stealth character(in games) to me. Even in animated he does way more work in the shadows than in public, the public just sees the boss battlesšŸ˜…
  • @jonathanw3909
    For the longest time, I didn't get why Harry was mad at the Peter and Norman interaction, but I think I may have figured it out. Norman says he's grateful and proud of Peter for being there for Harry moments after Peter has snapped at Harry and refused to help him. So I think in this instance, it's not the classic father-figure resentment we've seen before, but that he's mad that Peter is (in Harry's eyes) acting like he's still helping and cares after what had just happened. What he sees is Norman thanking Peter for caring and being a good person, and it makes sense for him to be upset about that after Peter has just essentially abandoned him in his time of need and omitted that truth from Norman. I think it doesn't come across clear because it seems like Insomniac tried to frame it as a reference to the classic daddy issues dynamic when really it shouldn't have been. Just my theory!
  • @QUBIQUBED
    Black Cat's "girlfriend" is the Mona Lisa lmao She's gonna be makin that bag in Paris!
  • @thatnevelguy4466
    The Howard mission was the mission that made me feel 100% happy with my purchase of this game. Made me cry like a freaking baby.
  • @kenbanhdaz1516
    For your point/confusion on Peter giving the symbiote back to Harry and creating Venom, I interpreted it as Peter having corrupted the symbiote through all of his bully shenanigans. I think another way of looking at the Host and Symbiote relationship, is that it truly is a symbiotic relationship where they can both affect each other's mental state as well as goals (so it's maybe not simply just "goo is evil"). I'm thinking that the symbiote's initial goal was to simply become stronger to help Peter, but when it gets onto Harry for the second time it shifts its goal to "healing the world" in a dark, ambitious, and power hungry way after being influenced by Peter. My reasoning that it truly wants to help its host comes from all the times it actually helps Pete and Harry. Such as when it saves Harry from a self-inflicted fall at EMF (if it was already malicious it would've let Harry go splat and jump onto the stronger host that is Peter), and the infiltration of Kraven's dinner party where it pulls the rug to save a waiter from harm (to Peter's desires). As a side note, in terms of the symbiote transformation, Peter's lust for power to become a better Spider-Man combined with Harry's resentment for his best friend is possibly the cause for why the standard symbiote suit morphs into the monstrous/hulking Venom. In a way, I kinda see the symbiote as another victim throughout this whole story, a tragic loss of innocence due to Peter not fully resolving his trauma from May's passing and his inner hatred for the criminals of NYC. Looking back at the story now, it's kinda nice that Insomniac left enough for the symbiote to be up for interpretation and speculation (which is pretty fun to do), but I think they could've told a few more things to clear some stuff up to spare people from frustration and confusion.