Word Games With Apologists, Pt 1: Dr. Alvin Plantinga's Modal Ontological Argument

2019-04-26に共有

A theist makes some claim. We ask for evidence. Instead of providing this, they start wheezing out some tired old apologetic argument. They call them logical proofs. I call them word games.

There will very likely be more word games to come in the future. This first one is the Modal Ontological Argument, as presented by Dr. Alvin Plantinga.

Dr. Plantinga received his Ph. D. from Yale, and attended Harvard as well as Calvin College, where he currently holds a chair in Philosophy. He is cited by many as one of the 20th Century's finest and most influential Christian philosophers, and best known for his Modal Ontological Argument. Sorry, doc. Still just another word game with a fancy name. Give us proof, or give us peace.

Dr. Plantinga's Website: calvin.edu/directory/people/alvin-c-plantinga

Original Video:    • The Modal Ontological Argument

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Video Chapters
(Argument / Response, where applicable)

00:00 Intro: “Let's get this done.”
00:10 Jams: “Rocked By Rape.”
00:21 Ask for Evidence, get Word Games
01:16 Why Word Games Don't Work
02:21 Different Word Games Theists Play
02:52 Modal Ontological Word Game: “Defining God Into Existence.”
03:33 How To Play The Word Game: Reductio Ad Absurdum
04:25 Afghani Elephant? / Too Much Time With Veteran Partners At Work
05:11 Possible Books and Actual Books / Identifying Game Beginning In Earnest
06:12 Defining God Into Existence / Consideration of Definition
06:46 No, Really, It HAS to Exist “Maximally Great.” / Sounds Arbitrary
07:28 They Try To Spring A Gotcha / “Do People Find This Compelling?”
08:17 If Possible, Then Necessary and Exists / All Hail The Maximally Great Sharpie
11:09 All or None. God Either Exists, or Is Impossible / Then, Clearly, Impossible.
13:56 “For Sure not the god of Abraham.”
14:00 Oops.
14:12 If god Is Possible, Then god Really Does Exist.
14:26 Sharpie... And Why This Word Game Fails.
14:44 Coop's Closing: “Get Better Arguments... Or Better Yet, Get Actual Evidence.”
15:21 Thanks For Playing, and Hello! New Subscribers!
15:44 Reminder: Appearing LIVE on DECONVERSION STORIES with NEIL THE 604 ATHEIST on 6th May, 2019 at 1900hrs EDT... the show after he has ARON RA on. No pressure or nothin'... (fuck's sake.) Subscribe to Neil's channel here:    / @neilthe604atheist
18:04 “Take it easy...”
18:05 Ending Jams: “Rocked By Rape.”

@41Duck 5年前

Posting for posterity. This video got the first thumbs-down on this channel on 2nd May, 2019.

@DBCisco 5年前

Thanks for your intelligent commentary. I find that most metaphysical philosophy (which includes theology) is merely daydreaming and calling it reality. I find the non-theist 'philosophers' to be using the same BS to attack theist BS. As such, they are both just justifying BS. Hope that made sense.