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Regarding the 'they know you charmed them' part, it could be used to some crafty advantage; depending on how magically savvy the target is, a disguise self or polymorph self could be used beforehand to frame another as the charmer. Unless the dm rules that charm person always designates who the caster is instead of who the caster appears to be, then you'd need gift of gab or modify memory or glibness.

Thanks for the clear and concise breakdown. Well done content. Knowing you've been Charmed is not the same as knowing who Charmed you. That seems like an interesting role playing/plot hook. Your analogy to a past manipulative love interest is spot on. Which puts the ethics of using Charm into question

Raistlin and Bupu in dragons of autumn twilight is a fine example

So I run od&d white box. The spell is complete permanent domination of any humanoid creature under 5 hit dice. That's significantly cooler especially considering it's 1st level.

I don't use it wrong but I've definitely seen people do these things. I think it's similar to minor illusion and the like, where some people try to reach SUPER hard on what a low level spell of each category can do.

Love the analogy, really helped me wrap my head around how npcs should act. Thanks dude!

Victims of Charm Person are not automatically aware of the real identity of the person who charmed them. You could be magically disguised and use this spell to make people suspicious of the person you are imitating.

As a 3e player, a bard, I negotiated a deal with one of 7 loosely allied evil leaders that we had cornered. Although he had a PC hostage, and a young adult dragon ally, we agreed that we would not only let him live, but help him destroy one of the other leaders. In return, he had to agree to be charmed for the duration of the treaty. His dragon remained free and unhindered as a guarantee that we would honor the deal.... which we did.

Great advice and it helps keep this element fun!

This is exactly the way its supposed to be used. My biggest thing in the spell is that the target automatically knows it was charmed. This is why in my games, I make the target make a wisdom saving throw and if they pass the spell DC of the caster, they know they were charmed. This allows people to use the spell a bit more without causing hostile creatures.

It's honestly more of a non combat spell.

Yeah, some people think charm person is enemies abound

99% of us? That's mighty high horsish of you.

90% agreed but I'd maybe argue that you'd convince yourself, if you regard them as a friendly acquaintance for the duration of the spell, "no Bob wouldn't do that" during the spell being active.

So what your telling me is I need to change my beholders charm ray to dominate person.

Always have problems with charm person cuz it doesn't seem as cool as I wanted

I've seen Charm abused this way by DMs but they abuse Suggestion even more. Suggestion is simply an upgraded Command spell with more versatility. Suggestion does not make you switch sides and fight for the caster. DMs love using Charm and Suggestion this way because they may run a lot of low level games and never get to use the real spell that would hijack charcater actions like Dominate spells. Charm is not Dominate and neither is Suggestion but people love reading further than they should into spells. And then when you point it out to them they just say "well, I like it this way." 😅😂

I don't think being in love with a charming narcissist is as universal an experience as you think it is, and I'm sorry to say but your explanation probably only makes sense to someone who's had that experience. Personally, I've never seen that happen and can't imagine what it would feel like. I would say it's more like if someone has done you a big favour recently. You might know they're not a great person, but you would feel bad completely brushing them off after they went out of their way to help you when you really needed it, without asking anything in return.

Did you get this inspiration from Renfield?

I think it would take more than a simple skill check to realize you are charmed or even being told you are by an ally. Since the charmer has advantage on all social rolls against you. So for a charmed PC I'd give them disadvantage on all rolls to figure things out. because I dont roll social skills against PC's. So disadvantage on arcana, as they ask their charmer hey was that a charm per son spell just now? response "nah your delusional is was a simple prayer to my deity for good fortune" in that situation they may actually know it was charm person but if they fail the check they dont want to bring it up or do anything about it for fear of gaining the disapproval of their charmer. Thats how manipulation works you can "know" but not have the strength of character to overcome those feelings and confront your manipulator. Since charm person has abroad spectrum of interpretations PC's that are charmed will try to find more ways to weasel out on being charmed, than a DM would with a charmed NPC.