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Never understood the Spider hate, kids in a very tough spot.

It’s so annoying that Neteryi hates Spider meanwhile she married a human

Spider has so so much going on in his life, can’t wait to see what happens to him in the future movies!

You explained everything in a way that makes a ton of sense, I wish people who absolutely hates Spider for his choices near the end of the film would watch this and realize that he’s not evil for wanting some kind of connection with the only living biological parent he has left, even if he’s half psychopath and basically a clone. He’s 16 and been somewhat neglected his entire life, it’s a valid response.

I really liked how they showed Spider’s allegiance to the Na’vi through his reactions. Not only did he scream his lungs out when an ilu got murdered and desperately begged Miles not to kill the tsa’hik of Tau’nui, but he wept for the mother tulkun and was very put off by how her body, instead of being put to good use would just be dumped. It’s not only a needless murder in his eyes, but a terrible waste as well, and wasting a kill goes against Na’vi core beliefs.

Poor Spider, he's the underdog character. I like how both adoptive siblings, Lo'ak and Kiri, are always there for Spider whenever Spider feels sad.

I like how Tonowari mentioned that the human boy (Spider) speaks Na'vi, and Jake knows that Spider learns how speaks Na'vi language. I'm very excited to see Spider interact with the Metkayina clans since Tonowari lets the Sully family live in their village after the final battle and the death of Neteyam.

Jake is very accepting and welcoming towards Spider, as he knows what it is like to be human and how difficult it is to keep up with the Na'vi physically and culturally. He also defends Spider in situations where Neytiri is angry with him. Jake has always tried to make Spider feel welcome around his family, even when Neytiri objects to his presence and says that as a human, he "belongs with his own kind." Despite Neytiri's resentment of Spider, Jake never pushed him aside, though he did not consider him a son at first (as was evident by his absence in situations like their "family photo" and comparing him to being like a stray cat following them around). Despite not being his biological son and certainly being rejected by Neytiri, Miles has always held great respect for Jake, following his orders and learning from his teachings. In The High Ground, Jake mentions that because he technically motivated the Na'vi to engage in a war against the RDA, this resulted in Quaritch's and Paz's deaths. Feeling partially responsible for orphaning the boy, Jake cuts Miles some slack as a result and hopes he does not turn out like his father Quaritch. Similar to Jake, young Miles has also learned to commit to the family and protect it at all costs. His loyalty is demonstrated when, in the end, instead of returning with his biological father, Quaritch, he decides to return to the Sullys. Jake embraced him and Lo'ak and stated that he got "a son for a son," meaning that he lost one son and gained another.

Spider also has a bit of a Tarzan Vibe imo. An orphan boy, adopted but different and somewhat accepted as a member of the tribe, Some fully accepting of him but even labeled outsider by others. But though he does things differently he has more than proved himself; but still he is still only part accepted. He also has Tarzan's locks.

While their relationship isn’t shown in great detail, Spider is much closer to Neteyam's younger siblings. Spider leaves out Neteyam's name when he lists the "family" he has left. While in the beginning of the film after being wounded in the mag-lev assault Spider was heard teasing Neteyam when he was being patched up by his grandmother Mo’at, while later on in the film, Spider was caught on the ship, Neteyam felt the risk was too great to bother saving him, and it was only when Lo'ak insisted that Neteyam agreed to the rescue. Neteyam is also seen doing an annoyed growl at the idea. Despite this, Neteyam risked his life and perished in order to save Spider from Quaritch. Spider was crying after he learned that Neteyam had perished.

Spider is adorable/cute and Jack Champion did a good job playing him.

Jake's relationships with Spider (Update): Jake is very accepting and welcoming towards Spider, as he knows what it is like to be human and how difficult it is to keep up with the Na'vi physically and culturally. He also defends Spider in situations where Neytiri is angry with him. Despite Neytiri's resentment of Spider, Jake never pushed him aside. Jake has always tried to make Spider feel welcome around his family, even when Neytiri objects to his presence and says that as a human, he "belongs with his own kind." While it may be interpreted that Jake did not consider him a son at first (due to his absence in situations like their "family photo" and saying Spider was like a stray cat and not part of the family), it was confirmed by a image of Jake's Songcord that he had a piece that showed Spider's adoption, which shows that Jake had already adopted Spider as his son before Lo'ak's birth.[6] It is likely that Jake did not want to deem Spider as being part of the family due to Spider already having a foster family at Hell's Gate, combined with Neytiri being uncomfortable. After Neteyam's death, Jake is relieved to see Spider return, embracing him and Lo'ak together while saying "a son for a son" as he lost a son and gained another.

I loved Spider. He was one of my favorites, and I wish he'd gotten more screen time. I feel like there was a lot more factors in his choice to save Quaritch than we get to see. You have the father-son thing, and while Spider never seems impressed it is still likely a draw to him. Quaritch saves Spider from the scientists and, after acknowledging his skill with Na'vi language and culture, treats him as a mentor. It was probably the first time Spider had anyone value him in that way. It honestly gives me the same kind of vibes as when Neytiri was teaching Jake. Also, they spent the same amount of time together that the Sullys did learning the way of water. I wish we could have seen some of that. It had to have been weeks, if not months. When they're flying on the ikran together you can feel there's a more relaxed air between them. I'm not sure if Spider feels a familial bond, but they do seem to be closer. Of course when they get on the ship and Quaritch starts Quaritch-ing that bond begins to deteriorate. I think if Quaritch had always acted like that then Spider could have walked away at the end. But between the remains of the bond and Quaritch sparing Kiri to save Spider, it was enough. You can tell from the growling and cussing that Spider is mad at himself for being unable to leave Quaritch, and I feel like if he had there would have been this nebulous regret following him. I do think Spider's loyalty has always been to the Na'vi, particularly to Kiri and Lo'ak. He never hesitates when Lo'ak and Neteyam come to save him, or to pull Kiri and Tuk away after Neytiri releases him. I just think that in Spider's mind Quaritch was counted as more of an avatar than a recom. I think he would have easily left any of the other recoms, but with Quaritch the line blurred. I'm curious to see how things go moving forward. Like, will Spider tell anyone he saved Quaritch, will Quaritch tell to sow dissent, or is it always their secret? Has Quaritch written Spider off, or is he going to attempt to sway him? Will the bond between them sway Quaritch somehow? Also just throwing this out there, but I ship Spider and Kiri XD I've never read the comics so maybe I'm way off and essentially shipping siblings, but their bond seems especially close. Lots of touching and eye contact.

I don’t know why, but I want Spider to win. He’s been through so much in his life. He’s essentially an orphaned foster kid in a time of war and he’s only 17. 🥺🥺 There’s going to be so much drama in the third movie because he saved quarich (I’m still confused by that) and so many fans don’t like him but I hope he gets an Avatar and finally gets accepted as a full Na’avi

While their relationship is hardly shown, he does seem to care about her a great deal and seems to enjoy having her around. He visibly felt bad about almost accidentally killing her and Kiri when he and Lo'ak nearly caused a Samson to fall. He also mentions Tuk among the ones he consider to be "his family", alongside Lo'ak and Kiri.

Hope he stops being the Meg of the family and gets a power up or something

Spider deserve the world ❤

9:32 listing off things he also has a song cord and 9:41 FINALLY someone who dosent harass my boy for hissing he was practically raised Na’vi so he emulates the body language

Yeah and that's why I'm so happy that Spider might get his own Avatar in the end. Despite the fact that in some leaked images, Spider is seen having a Kuru.