Intel Stability Issues Get Worse & AMD Delays Zen 5

Published 2024-07-26
Episode 39: It's been a big week for news, so Steve and Tim spend most of the episode discussing AMD's decision to delay Zen 5, and the latest updates from Intel surrounding their CPU stability issues.

CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
03:39 - AMD Delays Zen 5
18:32 - Updates and Discussion on Intel CPU Stability Issues
1:01:15 - Updates From Our Boring Lives

SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST
Audio: shows.acast.com/the-hardware-unboxed-podcast
Video:    / @thehardwareunboxedpodcast  

SUPPORT US DIRECTLY
Patreon: www.patreon.com/hardwareunboxed
Floatplane: www.floatplane.com/channel/HardwareUnboxed

LINKS
YouTube:    / @hardwareunboxed  
Twitter: twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed

All Comments (21)
  • @TheRogueWolf
    I imagine that "replace all the affected CPUs" is just above "dynamite the building and flee to the Caribbean" on Intel's list of options.
  • @1Grainer1
    funny thing about that comment is he was refering to GN, Steve did say how good of a job Steve did benchmarking different profiles, so Steve did credit Steve, back to you Steve
  • @JarrodsTech
    26:25 I think it’s the Australian accent, other people hear us putting an R on the end of random words when we don’t hear it. There are videos about the Aussie phantom R with examples 😂
  • @la009895
    You heard it here first. Steve says to use liquid garlic as thermal paste and the intel issues will be solved. #science #gandolf
  • My parents and grand parents always told me garlic is good for the immune system and when sick
  • @whome3911
    Which is why I just bought yesterday a 7950x and will be happy with it for a couple years until things are ironed out.
  • @Zendien
    Steve is gonna need a small auto-translate to pop up every time he says bios from now on :D
  • I absolutely loved the garlic talk. Had me cracking up. My anecdotal evidence: my father (and I) always ate copious amounts of garlic growing up and essentially didn't need bug spray to keep the ravenous mosquitoes and black flies of Maine away while everyone else got eaten alive. Thinking back, I think the sickness resistance was also there for me. Marrying my wife cut down my garlic intake and I've definitely gotten sick more than I used to, but I've also gotten old (42 now) and have three kids including a 2 year old in daycare, so who knows. Time to up my garlic and see what happens 🧄🧄🧄
  • @cocopuuuff
    What I've taken from this podcast: Put garlic on 14th gen 🧙‍♂️
  • CPUs don't normally die within 4-5 years. My AMD Duron 750Mhz from 25 years ago says hi 😉
  • @oxaile4021
    AMD probably saw the Intel shenanigans and thought: oh shit, we gotta double check this.
  • @shodan6401
    Seeing the data coming from Wendell, Level1 Tech, combined with other reports, it is established that failure is always associated with high demand communications with connected devices: RAM, NVMe, GPU - and Wendell even showed that using four sticks of RAM was far worse than using two. So it seems obvious that either the Ring Bus is being overdriven, or the IO is overloaded. From 12th Gen. to 13/14, the only real design change was to increase Core Cache size. So it appears that they're asking too much of one or both of those data channels. Assuming they aren't lying about manufacturing defects.
  • @tomthomas3499
    It is a scary thought indeed when you think that average people don't follow tech news, how many Intel owner out there having instability issue and chalk it off as xmp problem, blaming motherboard, or even gpu driver..
  • @posmoo9790
    the cherry on the cake is intel saying don't run your ram so fast after telling fast ram was a feature for 2 years
  • Undervolting by -.1 v and limiting wattage to 125 W (PL1=PL2) has dramatically increased the stability of my 13900K, at the cost of basically 90 percent of the performance added by the K, but games have quit hitching, so that's ...nice. Cool stuff, Intel. Mad respect to AMD for stepping in and preventing an Intel-scale CPU debacle. Great PR move for AMD, too. AMD does what Intel isn't Intelligent enough to do. Doesn't quite have the ring of Sega's slogan.
  • @kwarkon1
    I would not say everyone has to keep eating garlic, but it indeed contains allicin - a strong antibiotic. I do eat garlic if I get a cold.
  • @1Grainer1
    only way i can see comparing zen 5 to 5800x3d is that it's most probably most probable 2 generation upgrade cadence, i doubt 7800x3d people will be looking at 9700X or 9800x3d, at least not majority
  • @1Grainer1
    i may sound like an AMD fanboy, but i feel like there is just more good will in AMD, all those open source projects, all the things you guys mentioned, 7800x3d melting issue, they did cover for Asus error, while year later Intel throws all board partners under the bus AMD does have a wierd marketing team, which quite often makes things awkward, but they are company, profits is all that matters, but from my point of view, in the end one thing matters for a consumer, how they solve the problem for example, Nvidia blocking FG behind 4000 series for artificial reasons, AMD could do the same for AM4, just say that zen 3 needs some hardware tuning in chipsets, so only 500 chipsets can work properly and push that, some will say they crumbled under the pressure, but in the end they just did the good thing, same with FSR, it being open source gave a lot for GTX and RTX users who wants Frame Gen or plain old upscaler, Intel also got a lot of praise for XeSS being open Digital Foundry made a clip about AMD research about hardware RT and Meshlet technology and both of them are not locked by any hardware like Tensor Cores, so i think that kind of openess gives the feeling of being trustworthy, but in the end, yes they are a for profit company and have share holders to satisfy