Spider-Verse 2's Most WELL WRITTEN Scene (Gwen & Dad)

I feel like her smile is also showing relief about her dad's fate, and as consequence that gave her more confidence that the canon can be broken and that she can save miles and his family.

The color symbolism in this scene is crazy tho, the way they're sometimes the same color, sometimes her dad's face is the same color as Gwen but his cop suit isn't and sometimes they're just completely different colors, really sells their emotions but also enhances them. You realize when they're getting closer to each other, when Gwen realize she shouldn't have said the joke about killing friends and when they're finally on the same page. Such an amazing scene! Looking forward to more vids on this movie

Loved how Gwen’s story mirrored her father’s story. George Stacy was a cop who was trying to play by the book when it came to the legality of Spider-Woman. He turned his back on his own daughter because that’s what he was supposed to do. When Gwen felt abandoned and alone and was taken in by the Spider-Society, she gave all of herself to their cause and was playing by the book. She only wanted to go to other dimensions just to see Miles, similar to Miles only wanting to find out how to to other dimensions just to see Gwen and his friends. She felt alone and just wanted companionship. With the fear of going back home, Gwen dedicated herself to just sticking to the life that was written for her until she has the one moment of weakness where she gives into what she wants, kickstarting the whole plot. After that we see Gwen’s struggle between what she’s supposed to do and what she feels compelled to do, and by the end she comes out the other side realizing that sometimes you have to throw out the playbook and fight for what we truly want. And this development gets mirrored with George Stacy quitting his job as a cop because he values his daughter much more. Gwen’s story was such a great cautionary tale and parallel for Miles and just a great story overall. Loved how the film bookended with Gwen’s arc.

One of my favorite pieces in this scene is the penguin. In Spiderham's universe, there is a Spider-guin; a penguin of Gwen. So "go easy on the penguin" can be read as "go easy on yourself"

"I was just out murdering all my friends" Is such a powerful line beyond the thinly veiled joke. I believe the line to be partially true from Gwen's perspective. At this point she had just come back from the chase with miles, a scene that was a result of her meddling, and a fallout between the two

It’s crazy a comic book movie can be so great that best scenes aren’t the action scenes. They’re the scenes where characters are just talking. Truly a masterpiece

I thought the 3rd point of the scene was that the "Captain" doesn't need to die. Migel is wrong, there IS another way to avoid a Canon Event. A big part of why Miles seems disappointed/rejected Gwen's helping hand in Spiders HQ was that he realizes Gwen being there means she have atleast in part, accepted her father's future-death as a Canon Event(Her dad being her "captain", her Peter being her "Ben"). In fact there are precisely as far as we know it 2 confirmed instances where a Spider's "Captain" isn't a canon event: Peter B Parker, and Gwen Stacey

If nothing else, it was extremely satisfying to see such a hurt character have a moment of almost complete relief from the massive weight she carried on her shoulders. The fate of the Multiverse, her dad's death, her being completely alone, betrayal of her best friend, etc.

One thing I noticed is also how they hug. When Gwen pulls her dad in for a hug she uses her web She hugs him as both her daughter and spider Gwen and he accepts her with web literally stuck to his shirt. It’s so different from earlier when she was sticking him with webs in the fight to get him away versus now using them to pull him close. They could’ve had her just run up and hug him but they didn’t and I think that’s pretty cool.

I love the idea of dual subtext. It's a huge theme of spiderverse that every person from how they see, hear, and navigate the world (as presented through colors, music and animation) is their own perspective and that's represented at every level of the story. This one of the only stories where miscommunication doesn't piss me off because the writers know where miscommunication actually comes from, which is not knowing how the other person hears and what they mean when they speak. That is much netter compared to the classic "I overheard 1/8th of a conversation which coincidentally gave me the exact opposite impression". Probably my favorite example of this is with Hobie who's accent is too thick for Miles to understand, who early on is actually telling him what he needs to hear for the climax. Hobie starts to like Miles when he sees him save the police captain, but can't directly see eye to eye with him during their conversation about making his own watch. Miles sees his situation as one of isolation where he needs other people, but Hobie is thinking in terms of independence and Miles just needs the means for doing what he wants. When we see Hobie REALLY like Miles is when Miles starts speaking in HIS language with the "stop calling me kid" "there we go 😏". Its like Hobie was waiting for it. And once they physically trap Miles in a cage, it's NOW he can apply the advice Hobie gave him about using his palms. To which Hobie cracks a huge smile and uses his own watch to quit the spider society.

My favorite scene in the whole movie. As someone who has a troubled complex relationship with my parents, I was genuinely crying in the theaters watching this…

I feel a bit that 'joke' was also her rubbing in his face how ridiculous it is that he would ever think she would kill Peter. Mocking that aspect of their conflict in order to kind of mask or reflect back how hurtful the accusation was and is. (I don't think her dad, after seeing her unmasked, actually thinks she did that, it's something he never verbally says, I think he just had so many overwhelming feelings about "my daughter is my vigilante nemesis" that he went into Cop Mode Arrest the Suspect on autopilot).

What's also interesting about the "I'm just out murdering all my friends" line is that's exactly how Gwen feels. She feels that she betrayed Miles, the only person who could understand her both as a friend and as Spider-Woman, and because she couldn't be honest with Miles, Gwen now has put both of them into a position where someone both of them know is going to die and they can't help each other. She's "murdered" Miles' friendship.

A great breakdown, but I feel like you're missing something here. Gwen's dad being a police captain is a death sentence, an unfixable, unmovable cannon event that if she were to disrupt would kill not just him but everyone. Except that's not true. In this moment, he opts out. In her list of choices between watch her dad die, and save her dad at the cost of everyone's lives, he presented a third option that shows that fate isn't as unmovable as spider society suggested. It reinforces to her that Miles is right, Spider-Man can find a way. SHE can find a way. In this scene, her dad restores her faith in not just their relationship, but in the universes ability to change for the better. This scene represents the end of the nihilism that was instilled in her, she's talked about her feelings and now she's ready to start her own band. This scene is the emotional climax of her character arc, and she's ready to go help others now that she has the clarity to know that they can be saved, just like her and her dad.

It’s because of the thoughtful writing in these scenes with Gwen’s father that her character really stole the show. I would love to see you do a video like this with Miles and his family.

Everything about Gwen's arc in ATSV was on point, and frankly this was HER movie. And there is something amazing about HER movie being essential to Miles finding his own "happy ending" and resolution. Beyond this tho, I love how if you watch its Gwen that makes the two big "stinger" moments of this film. She's the one who gets the biggest dig into Spider Society and how they're operating. They only see Miles as an outsider, so no matter what he does or says its diluted. She was one of them, so when she says "we were supposed to be the Good Guys", you can tell that that hit far harder than anything that Miles did. Shaking several other Spideys loose from Miguel's fatalistic grief/guilt echo chamber (B, Peni and Margo), while also forcing others to second guess themselves (Jess, and hell even Miguel for a moment). On top of this, this resolution with her dad? I believe it changed Gwen's canon. She became the person she needed to be to take a leap of faith, and be the mature one in that conversation; returning to George his autonomy and agency, and allowing HIM the chance to choose as well. Both choices, Gwen's growth enabling her to make a choice she likely never would have before, and her Father resonating with that, likely has changed both of their Canons safely. And the genius of this? It mirror's Peter B's resolution in ITSV. His growth from those events resulted in him taking a leap of faith and make the mature choice to try to fix things with MJ, returning to her her agency in their relationship and in turn make a choice to give him one more chance. And, even, by the looks of things, MJ become the provider for her Spidey Family, so that B can strip every responsibility away possible to best juggle his most important two. Being a Father/Husband, and as Spiderman. Changing their canons. B and Gwen's resolutions, their Leaps of Faith, I think are the Keys to Miles changing his Canon safely. And saving Jefferson. They are going to return the favor to him, and alongside the others and the events on 42 will help build him up into a version of himself that can take that proper leap he needs, to return agency to his father, and both will find that "Mayday" miracle. Which means that while Miguel is probably right that canon is both important, and that it does play an effect on the stability of a universe, it can also be changed safely. By changing the Spidey that canon relates to first. To a person who can make leaps of faith and make choices they otherwise NEVER would have, if left isolated in their own dimensions; or remain locked in Miguel's fatalistic echo chamber. Those Spideys who are "isolated", will never make different choices. Those Spideys that are "locked', will never even attempt to make new leaps.

definitely one of the most beautiful and well written scenes

I do have a few differing opinions on what the intentions were behind some of these interactions. When Gwen's dad originally comes in acting unperturbed by the situation, I don't think he's necessarily trying to handle things in an unemotional "dad" way. I think what he's actually doing is trying to come across as non-threatening. He's letting Gwen know through his behavior that she's not being held at gunpoint anymore, he's moved into a less chaotic emotional state in which he's ready to hear what she has to say and not jump to conclusions. Then, when Gwen makes the "out murdering all my friends" remark, I don't think it's meant to be a joke, or to defuse the situation- she's making a biting, sarcastic remark that attacks her dad's assumptions and venting her frustrations at him. But it's not just an angry emotional reaction, the statement also has the purpose of forcing him to drop the façade of normalcy and come to terms with his responsibility for the mess they're in now. She's reminding him that he needs to be more than just ready to listen to her- he needs to be ready to come to terms with and make amends for the ways he's hurt her.

All of the scenes that took place in Gwen’s world are hands down my favorite. As someone who is incredibly close to their father, the line “Are you really this afraid of me?” Was a line that HIT. I was so glad we got this scene on top of that. Gwen’s story and arc was the highlight in ATSV

I wonder if Gwen's knowledge of the police captain's death as a canon event kept her from patching things up with her dad. If she knew she was going to lose him, maybe she thought it would be better for her to be less invested and reliant on him. It's so dang sad and also adds to her whole arc of feeling lost and not knowing what to do next.