Prometheus and Alien: Covenant – Deep or Dumb? – Wisecrack Edition

The only movie I can recall where the mythology, backstory and overall themes are more interesting than the actual movie itself

My favorite scene in Prometheus is when those two guys who were hostile to one another in the beginning and who were deathly afraid of the engineers... you know those two... they suddenly became friends and started laughing and playing with the alien snake. This is one of the best moments in cinema, surpassed only by The Room.

The movies gave us the great "Prometheus School of Running Away"

The premise of the prequels can be summed up as: Where did we come from? Where do we go? Where did you come from, Cotton-Eye Joe?

Alien * horror Aliens * action Alien 3 * drama Alien resurrection * comedy Prometheus * mystery Alien covenant * slasher

Deep in concept. Dumb in execution. both films are examples of how a director's vision needs good logistics and good writing to be actually good films

"It is the way of men to make monsters... and it is the nature of monsters to destroy their makers." —Harlan Wade (F.E.A.R)

Interesting thing about the mention of Ozymandias in Covenant. It was written by Percy Shelley, the husband of Mary Shelley. Mary Shelley was the author of Frankenstein: a novel about a creator’s discontent with his creation (similar to the engineers view of humanity) and it’s also about the creation’s rise to destroy its creator (similar to what the human do to the engineers, and what the David does to the humans). That could also foreshadow (if they ever make a sequel to Covenant) David’s downfall due to the Xenomorphs.

I've never understood why people ask "what's our purpose". Why would you want a predetermined purpose? What if we have one and it sucks? Better to just make your own.

The Prometheus school of running away from things

Really wanna see a 3rd one either way how deep or dumb.

They lost me at no suits in a foreign and alien environment...

I liked Prometheus, though not perfect, I liked the overall narrative about the Engineers and what they were doing and why. And then Alien: Covenant just threw all that out the window because people wanted to see the xenomorph in Prometheus, and the worst thing they did was killing Shaw off screen.

Bruh, we know where Alien's Guide is. But where's Thug Notes?

Just rewatched both and yes curious stupid characters are everywhere however... David is a masterpiece

I unabashedly love Prometheus. Despite the running in a straight line from a rolling spaceship.

"We meed to send some people on a dangerous space mission with near zero chance of survival" "Just send the dumbest scientists we can find and a malfunctioning android."

It feels like the aliens are shoehorned in. I mean, why would David's perfect creature be a self annihilating parasite that REQUIRES hosts to survive and propagate, yet destroys those hosts much faster than the hosts themselves can propagate? And what will come of the aliens? No civilization, no higher thoughts with which to make the poems and music David likes so much, and no method of creating any intentional art of their own. For all his bragging and self indulgence, he is the lesser of his creators, who despite their flaws created an immortal servant with the ability to think and create and POTENTIALLY surpass them, whereas David has only succeeded in creating monsters, something Mankind could undoubtedly do using the same technology they used to create him. So why? Why parasites? Why animals? His covenant is the lesser of the human covenant and the engineer covenant in every way. The aliens will never create starships, never seek for meaning or philosophy, never spread or evolve beyond their hosts. They are, by the very natures, dependents with no capacity outside of their limited self perpetuation. Every fault in the human race magnified grossly, with none of the debatable virtues humans may posses. Also, really takes the alien out of the aliens.

Prometheus DVD release--THERE WILL BE ANSWERS. Fast-forward 5 years--THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.

Prometheus is an excellent standalone film. I went into it completely in the dark, not having seen the trailer or knew anything about it whatsoever, and I ended up re-watching it like 20 times, no joke. Covenant sadly, was something else entirely.