Genetically Accurate Warrior Cats #1 - Firestar's Family

I love that you decided to actually dive into the entire family trees; Thank You!!! 👏👏🥰 💜💜 You have mad-respect from me – as someone who has also been gradually doing the same, myself, (just out of casual curiosity) over the last several months ever since seeing the vid by KiwiQueen 13. ^-^  (And I kinda completely adore the ways that YOUR designs turned out for all the cats here!! They look GREAT; and I had a lot of fun watching this.👏👏💜 Well done!) However, I feel as if it should be pointed out that all colorpoint cats (whether specifically Siamese breed cats or not) actually ARE partially-albino cats.  Because... That is what colorpointing is – a temperature sensitive partial albinism.  🙂 The albinism is activated by warmer temperatures to switch the production of pigmentation off, but deactivated by cooler temperatures allowing pigmentation to be produced, resulting in dark ‘points’ with lighter coloring on other areas of the body that stay naturally warmer than those darkly colored extremities do; kind of like how a human person’s hands or feet & noses tend to get cold before the rest of their body will too. (The colorpoint and albino genes are actually coded for at the same loci; meaning that they are actually known as alleles, or different versions of the same gene, rather than actually being completely separate genes altogether.) If a cat has 1 copy of the gene-version for full-albinism from one parent and 1 copy of the gene-version for colorpointing from the other parent...they will still be colorpoint, but carrying full-albinism without showing it, yet might be slightly more lightly colored overall than if they had 2 copies of the colorpoint gene. There are also two other similar but different partial-albinism gene alleles other than colorpointing & full-albinism, which are also coded for at the same loci as colorpointing & full-albinism is: Sepia (best exemplified by looking at Burmese breed cats  although much like colorpointing it is also not exclusively or only found in Burmese breed cats) and Mocha (a much more newly discovered version of partial-albinism first found in a number of common random-bred [feral ]cats from Thailand much the same as colorpointing & sepia originally were also that looks kind of like a "light sepia" type of coloring) – both of which are also dominant over full-albinism if heterozygously inherited together (just like colorpointing is) AND also co-dominant with each other as well as with colorpoint (showing varying degrees of partial albinism intermediately between whichever 2 types of albinism &/or partial-albinism a cat heterozygously carries together unless the cat has 2 copies of the same version) but Recessive to pretty-much all other coloring & pattern genes(meaning that a cat will NOT be albino, colorpoint, sepia, or mocha at all but will carry it without showing it if that cat only got 1 copy of any one of those genes by its lone self without either also getting another copy of the same version or also getting a copy of any one of the other versions as well instead; but a cat will ONLY have full-albinism if they got 2 copies specifically of the full-albinism version). And Dominant-white cats actually CAN have eyes of any color, sometimes even with either heterochromia (aka “odd-eye” or two mismatched / differently colored eyes) OR dichroism (which is when there are both some areas of blue color AND some other-colored areas together within either one or both of a cat's eyes), because typically blue eyes are basically akin to just having white-ness in all or part of their eye(s) .. it's really only pedigreed cats of specific breeds who have been selectively bred to limit their eyes exclusively to certain colors &/or to very specific shades of color(s). (Although blue eyes could also be caused by partial or full albinism as well, kinda like how full-albinism causes fur that looks white too, except that albinism never produces odd-eye heterochromia or dichroism though a cat could have both albinism & a White-ness gene which could do so; and partial albinism like colorpointing can produce either blue eyes or aqua colored eyes with an intermediate coloring between blue and green—UNLESS it is specifically the Sepia version of partial albinism, which almost always if not always leaves the eyes colored totally normally.)  Random-bred cats usually have green eyes, or green eyes mixed with a bit of yellow &/or amber in them(Although plenty of random-bred cats do have yellow or amber colored eyes instead[, occasionally even so dark amber it's almost-brown]..sometimes intermingled together &/or with green).  A random-bred cat of just about any eye color often can have kittens that could have the same eye color of eyes or just about any other eye color as well. And cats with blue eyes genetically carry and pass on whatever not-blue color(s) they have inherited from their parents—since blue eyes are not really technically an eye color all its own, just like white is either a lack of pigmentation altogether thanks to albinism or it's White-ness masking over the other fur color(s).  Orange colored eyes is actually the rarest shade of cat eye color, and not that often seen at all outside of pedigreed cat breeds who have been selectively bred specifically to achieve it. A ginger colored cat is no more or less likely to have any color of eyes than any other [not-ginger ]colored cat is.  But solid-colored cats with no White-ness on them, or non-ginger tabbies with no White-ness, are extremely unlikely to have blue eyes, although even that can and does still occasionally happen from time to time. But it's totally okay to pretty much just ignore eyes altogether though; because the actual genetics that code for cat eye color(s) are much more complex and much less clearly or well-understood than the genetics for coat colors and patterns are—and most cats can have kittens with such a wide variety of different colors/shades.😊💖😁  Lol 😆

Well, Firestar is now dirtstar, And dirt will save the clan.

Now I'm just realizing, Millie and Graystripe had a brown and calico child even though they're both grey cats.

Fun fact, cats cant see red, redtail has 2 huge reasons why he cant exist (Goodlird please ignore this comment its old from when i was incredibly cynical about genetics as it was my hyperfixation aughh)

if every cat was genetically correct, we would have "Tortie Clan" as a canon clan

At this point I feel like everybody is related to Firestar

I'm sorry, but I'm a huge genetics geek, and just wanted to let you know that firestar doesn't need to have white and can still pass it on to his kits. See if the white is a ressesive trait, he can carry the trait but it will not be phiscally shown, and if sandstorm had the same resessive trait, it is possible for leafpool and squirrel flight to have white on them, and pass it on to their kits. I'm not trying to make you feel like your designs are bad, but just informing you since you didn't know. have a good day!

Sandstorm having "noob" in her unprofessional genetic code is so fitting

As someone who has been out of the Warriors community for a long time, Firestar and Scourge being half-brothers is blowing my mind.

I kinda want to do one of these, but I think I'd prioritize first series main series cat designs over the 'top' of the tree. Hence I'd probably make Nutmeg a tortoishell so Firestar could be a ginger.

So unless leafpool is a "caramelized" dilute, she wouldn't be brown. She'd have to be brown with ginger, or grey with cream.

Cool designs, and let's take a moment to appreciate that Jake's collar is the Bi flag, that was a real clever move there

Love these types of videos, really makes you realize just how unrealistic the cats in warriors are, especially with firestar... The Prophecy!

I honestly love Leaf and Squilf's designs much more than the canon! I feel like the black makes it to where it'd be more believable for canon Hollyleaf to be her kit and i think Leaf looks super pretty like she's supposed to be in the books!

You know what stands out to me about genetics in the Warrior Cats series? Based on the variety of colors and patterns among the forest cats, I'm pretty sure they're mostly or entirely descended from escaped domestic cats. You see, being a domesticated animal vs. a wild one is actually a genetic difference, not just a behavioral one. Think of the physical differences between dogs and wolves - technically the same species, but there are some noticeable physical differences that come from domestication. Now, if the forest cats are indeed pure-blooded wild cats, they'd be European wildcats (Felis silvestris) - but the problem with that is, European wildcats have hardly any variation in their color and pattern. They're universally brown to grey and universally tabby, generally not with patches of white or anything. Now in the Warriors series, we have cats that are black, white, black and white, ginger, pale ginger, brown gray, gray-blue, with stripes, with solid colors, with patches and spots and tortoiseshell patterns... basically the same variety you'd expect to see in a group of domestic housecats. Some of these cats might be pure European wildcats - Tigerstar for example doesn't have anything that would look out of place on a wildcat - but the majority of them are probably descended from housecats (or kittypets) that escaped into the forest to start living the forest life. Even in Tigerstar's case, he probably has some kittypet in his family tree if he comes from the same stock as the other forest cats. (Disclaimer: I've only read through the Warriors series so far with no supplemental materials, so IDK if the author has talked about the origin of the forest cats or Tigerstar's family tree. I'm just going off of my knowledge of animal domestication.) TL;DR Everytime Darkstripe gives Firestar shit for being a 'kittypet' I want to slap him upside the head and say "Shut up, you're all kittypets!!!"

I am no expert either, but here are some basic cat genetics I know. Cat eye colours are not genetic, it just depends on their melanin/pigment levels. Female cats take a colour from each parent and male cats just take a colour from the mother. All orange, grey, and brown cats are tabbies, no matter if you can see the stripes or not (unless it is chocolate, cinnamon, or blue fur)

i love cat biology, these are always so calming to listen to.

I absolutely LOVE that jakes cannon collar is the bi flag

Personally when mapped it out I changed it around a little to keep firestar’s mostly canon design, and made Nutmeg a torbie, as well as making sandstorm and leafpool torbies, to keep squilf and the three at least somewhat on base

"You can only be ginger if your mother was ginger" Squilf: OH SHIIIIIIIIIIT