How Strong is Janemba?

EVILLLLL!!!!! (Continue down for QnA)... Q1. How is shaking a universe not Universal Level? A: As presented in my video, shaking an object doesn’t equate to power accurately. Unlike in DBS, where Goku and Beerus’ shockwave was stated to be destroying not just the universe but its very space-time, Movie 12 Goku going all out was shaking things within other world but no indication he was borderline collapsing its space-time. Hence why it’s only beyond universal IF and only IF it was Infinite in size. There is no middle ground. Either you agree with the cosmology lore or not, therefore, it downscale or upscale Movie 12 Goku and the Janemba’s power. Q2. Why did you use Alan Guth’s theory to upscale the Other World? A: The size of Other World is still contentious to this day. We just know its big enough to contain the Universe size Heaven, but the main point I wanted to make was that it can be hundreds, millions, to beyond trillions of times bigger than the living universe. Verifying the infinite size statements by the guidebooks and even if that’s not the case, it COULD allow fans to upscale Goku and Gogeta’s feats IF accepted and allowed. Not saying it must be as big as Alan Guth theory’s, as not many will agree with it but that to assume Other World is smaller compared to the living universe is disingenuous. Q3. How do you come up with those calculations? A: I did not come up with those specific calcs, I just added my own extensions to them. SethTheProgrammer and other users on VSBattle Wikia made a simple calculation formula that anyone can use for any franchise when its applicable. Its in the description to further breakdown how I and many others can use it. Q4. What is Nigh-Omnipresence? Does that mean Janemba’s omnipotent? A: No, it just means he’s everywhere but within the confines of a 3D to arguably beyond 5D reality. He’s not omnipotent on some outerversal or boundless logic, I was merely explaining how high he could go for his speed stats when highballing is allowed since I know fans like to really see how far Dragon Ball scaling can go especially for movie villains. Q5. Why do you validate Koyama’s Opinions a lot? A: He’s the screenplay writer and creator of the movie villains. To act as if his intentions when writing the films don’t matter, when he clearly had a lot of limitations that prevent him from being accurate to the anime or manga scaling, especially when Toriyama allowed Koyama and the movie staff complete freedom to come up with whatever scenarios, such as the Bardock Special that Toriyama himself praised, then yes, Koyama’s opinions should be considered not as primary evidence but as secondary evidence to support the idea that Janemba may or may not be universal, or that Janemba’s self-contained scaling doesn’t need to correlate to the anime or past movies. Q6. Why do you validate promo materials when they often overhype things just to sell a product? A: Although true, its ultimately based on preponderance of evidence. Since the franchise itself agree and support the idea of Janemba being an abstract entity or can go beyond dimensions and so on, sure, you could say it’s a highball scaling but to assume there is no evidence to suggest that’s the case, especially when Dragon Ball Heroes views all forms of marketing, games, anime, crossovers, etc, as canon, especially when this video is meant to be a Composite scaling for Janemba, its allowed to be used for these types of topic. Q7. So what are your thoughts on Broly Vs. Janemba? A: Imma be honest, I don’t care. (XD) I’m well aware people don’t like Koyama’s biased opinions towards Broly but I also know people don’t like the overhype of Dragon ball Dimensional cosmology scaling, so one way or another, If I say one side is stronger than the other, I’m still gonna get flagged. The only real intention from me is to provide all the evidence I can find, to give the viewers a chance to come up with your own conclusions, while still acknowledging any contradictions or counterarguments. So if you do think Janemba is stronger than Broly regardless of Koyama’s opinions, that’s fine, I’m just being as informative as possible on info most fans are not aware of. Btw, please don’t be toxic in the comment section. My good friend Stride is just trolling and I’m just sarcastic with how I handle disingenuous DB fans who overly criticize other people’s scaling. My content is all in good fun, so if I get something wrong, no prob, I don’t wish to intentionally spread false info just for my own headcanon. I just hope people get a kick out of my vids.

Janemba, is just on another level. Janemba is what I imagine Bibidi was trying to replicate when he first created Buu

I'm glad you used the Infinite Zamasu comparison because that's essentially what Janemba has become. He just shows up, causes issues, gets sent to time out until he decides to cause problems in another universe either by his own evil will or by the whims of another evil entity that can get access to him. He is truly the crackhead of all time.

Friendly reminder that this dude broke the seal that separated the living world and the dead just by EXISTING.

One thing for sure, if Jamemba was accurately depicted to be an incarnation of Evil itself he would be a primordial force that only the grand priest or Zeno can defeat.

Whoever’s reading this comment , you’re eternally worthy of having superpowers like Janemba’s power , because you’re power level is OVER NINE THOUSAND , thanks for existing

Janemba is so under appreciated!!!! I absolutely love his design the fact that he’s just evil and damn that SSJ3 transformation is the best ever!!!! Has always been my favorite movie!

I like to believe that any form and appearance of janemba is still him and every appearance of him is canon to him (such as SDBH) because it was stated that janemba can appear anywhere that has evil energy and can warp that reality. With this logic he should be able to be in any verse

Aweee yisss

Janemba is a literal manifestation of the idea of evil.

Bro your intros are broken...by broken i mean ABSOLUTELY OP... they're DOPE AF!!!

These videos are incredible! I can definitely tell you put a lot of work into something like this with all the content you have to review. I do have a question though. Will you be making a video on Hatchiyack?

Let’s be honest, people would pay to watch Godzilla blast Beerus away.

Numbers you need to do more of these, definitely one of the most underrated content creators

Can't you argue that Heroes has some degree of fictional transcendence? I've heard people argue that since characters were stated to be able to destroy the real world, this is the case. If not I guess DB 4D is still the strongest iteration of Dragon Ball.

Man you really deserve more subs, your style and thouroughness is great

BEFORE I watch the video, I just want you guys to know that this guy can warp reality, manipulate matter, bankai teleport, regenerate, clone, and his sword can cut through small dimensions (universes) he's arguably stronger than Buuhan.

Janemba is that fucking guy. Fav dbz villain ever, rewatched fusion reborn and he was just made off violence

This was an pretty interesting video of the power structure of Janemba, it was nice to get the info from your perspective on how or to where Janemba scales, I’ve always found Janemba an really interesting movie villain that can reach to insane heights in power for the most part.

Something else that debunks the “all movies take place in one timeline” belief is that Fusion Reborn references the Namek Saga yet it has villains from World’s Strongest which references Piccolo’s sacrifice yet he’s alive and Tree of Might which has all the Z Fighters alive on Earth. (No reason to go to Namek) Also Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place when the Namek Saga would’ve occurred.