Reading the Herculaneum Papyri

Published 2024-07-05
On this episode of the Toldinstone Podcast, Dr. Federica Nicolardi and I discuss the challenges of reading scrolls charred and buried by the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 AD.

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Chapters:
0:00 Discovery of the scrolls
3:23 Opened and unopened
5:17 How to handle charred papyrus
9:11 New texts
13:17 Philodemus of Gadara
16:04 Epicurean philosophy
20:20 The library in the Villa of the Papyri
24:05 The Vesuvius Challenge
25:56 Progress so far...
28:44 The newest text
30:06 What comes next
34:20 What's still buried?

All Comments (21)
  • @missopowers
    Imagine an American scientist appearing on an Italian podcast, and discussing complicated research concepts and philosophical history and ideas in fluent Italian. This woman is extraordinary.
  • @acolyte1951
    Thank you for continuing these podcasts. They are interesting and informative.
  • @Booka60
    Jeez Dr. Garrett, you really struck gold with Dr. Nicolardi...a great discourse!
  • @gudepop1974
    Absolutely wonderful to hear from someone close to these new discoveries.
  • @apresmidi153
    Been following this in the news for awhile, as you say it's a very exciting time for this field. Thanks for covering this!
  • @missopowers
    New information suggests that the former Consul had illegally removed these scrolls after his term ended. A golden toilet in that little room was the first clue...
  • @525Lines
    A poem about the Battle of Actium is featured in I, Claudius.
  • @tmick7108
    I love Napoli what a great city! I flew over Capri in a helo at 500 ft AGL it was a great memory I love Italy and Sicily and I’m not Italian btw Napoli has great architecture Bella Bella.
  • @freespirit995
    This was an extremely interesting discussion- thank you for making this available to all of us laypersons who are watching the progress of the Vesuvius challenge with great excitement. One question I'd like an answer to is when are we going to get translations of the new part of Epicurus' "On Nature" and other texts for the general public? My understanding is that several parts of "On Nature" have been partially recovered, which greatly expands the very limited number of texts of Epicurus we have from Antiquity. It seems odd that these are not published. Do you have any information on this?
  • One thing I learned here is that when someone finished reading a scroll they left it with the last page on the outside. Maybe they had special librarian-slaves to do the rewind? How do you read a scroll? Maybe a video to walk us through it?
  • @larsrons7937
    Very informative conversation, very interesting. This is so exciting. I can't wait to see what else they (hopefully) find in those scrolls over the coming years.
  • @Benjaminwolf
    Amazing. I can only recall the time an archaeologist friend of mine asked if I would help catalog and sort a tremendous amount of excavated fragments of Roman glass. I turned her down. It was the type of tedious task I was not prepared to attempt. The work on these scrolls is monumental and filled with anticipation.
  • This was interesting. I didn't know that there was work continuing on physically unrolling the scrolls or that so much had been read. The virtual unrolling is promising, but at the moment is more proof of concept than an established method. It's such a hard problem because papyrus has a very uneven multilayed surface and ink sinks into it. The most successful virtual unrolling so far was parchment with an ink containing metal, a much easier problem.
  • @lmonk9517
    It would be my dream dor missing segments of the epic cycle to be uncovered in some of the scrolls, perhaps in scrolls yet to be unexcavated. Would also love any works on the Celtics, rhst bordered Rome. We know so little about their culture and faith considering their vastness and long history with rome.