Planet of the apes (2001) Movie Explanation

@alfredobriseno6428 4 days ago

This is the BEST answer I found in Reddit: To go over this detall one more time, Ashlar establishes that there's two moons, so it's safe to infer that Ashlar is not Earth, case closed there. Ftr, I think this change is fine, because you can't remake the originals while still having the same twist ending. The shock of it being Earth all along can never be repeated as it's already common knowledge to movie-goers, so 1 think it's only appropriate to rewrite the story as to preserve the legacy of the original and stil have a compelling twist ending. Anyways, we can use the three Earth crafts as examples for establishing the inverse time traveling rules in this film, the order of entering the storm is as follows: Pericles, Leo, and the space station. The arrival order of these three ships is as follows: space station, Leo, Pericles. Now, using that information to establish a pattern, we can apply it to the end of the film's ship departures. The order in which ships enter the storm from Ashlar is: Leo, followed by the apes. This means the apes who leave after Leo are going to arrive to Earth before Leo. I say the apes, and not Thade, because there's room for interpretation on whether or not he traveled to Earth, which I'll further elaborate on later. This is worth noting because we don't know who exactly from Ashlar wound up on Earth and how many apes went there, we just know that at some point in the past (before Leo's return), they did wind up there and populate. This order of arrival lines up according to the plot's rules, as the storm establishes the inverse departure/arrival relationship. Since the space station had been Ashlar for so long prior to Leo's arrival, it's plausible to think that apes entered the storm significantly later than Leo's departure of Ashlar, as this would put them well into Earth's past. Let's just say apes continued to thrive on planet Ashlar after the events of the film, whether alongside the humans or not, I' sure it was inevitable that their technology would advance just like it did for humankind on Earth. Eventually, they're going to develop what's needed for space travel, and probably at a more advanced rate with the access to the space station left behind. If we assume that they eventually enter the storm after developing their own space travel technology, they're going to arrive at Earth's past Iong before Mark Wahiberg was ever thought of. Thade very well could have been one of the traveling occupants to Earth's past, depending on how long it took them to catch up to that technology, but this isn't integral to the idea of apes traveling and dominating Earth in his honor. Leo's original pod now at the bottomn of the lake isn't really relevant as 1 think we can all agree that Thade traveling in it alone can not take hold of an entire planet. If we inspect the inscription on Thade's mural on Earth, it simply acknowledges him has the planet's savior, which is open for interpretation. For all we know, he could have simply led a revolution that inspired a warbound group of apes to head to Earth. The mural could have been commemorating him and maybe he lived his whole life on Ashlar, but regardless of what his presence on Earth looked like exactly, the theory of the apes traveling to Earth's past to dominate the human race (or even exterminate) is viable. To further expand on this theory, imagine the apes on Ashlar advanced even further than humankind ever did on Earth (let's not forget the head start of having the crashed space station's technology) and learned how to navigate the electrical storm intentionally. The further back into Earth's past you place the advanced apes, the easier it's going to be for them to overthrow humankind and establish dominion over Earth, so it's possible they deliberately picked their arrival to be an opportune era to start ruling - maybe even through some trial and error. Now as far as how Thade got out and establlshed leadership agaln after the events of the film, I don't see how that isn't feasible as he's done it once before. Regardless of the gun he had in his possession (he certainly didn't know how to use it) I'd like to think he was simply persuasive enough to coax Colonel Attar into letting him be free again, and even convince the rest of the apes to go back to enslaving the humans of Ashlar. If they were to do a little digging into the space stations records, they might quickly discover that humans from Earth didn't exactly treat apes as equals, I mean they did testing on them against their will on that very ship. That seems like enough information to paint humans in a bad light and lead a revolt against them once more, especially when Leo basically lied to Colonel Attar saying "we [apes and humans] lived in peace together, which can definitely be argued against. There's a good case to be made against humans treatment of apes If you take a look at their relationship on Earth, and I could totally imagine Thade being the one to sway fellow apes into a new revolution and having the story be told to following generations in his favor (hence the mural inscription.) Regarding the statue and it being identical to that of Abe Lincoln's, who's history as a President would be obsolete in this theory so why would it would resemble someone who wasn't even thought of yet, I personally think that's just one of those things that's moreso fun for the audience, maybe not something to overthink in particular. I understand why someone would think that's stupid, but I think what Burton was going for there is "hey we're just havin a little fun here." It's just a matter of when and when not to suspend disbelief in fiction, like obviously the odds of everything in this revised "modern day aren't going to look exactly ours, only with apes. As far as time travel goes and the contradiction of Leo's existence in this newly altered reality, you just got to get over it sometimes. Time travel is innately a merky paradoxical concept, some stories handle it better than others l'll admit ( think Lost did it right), but it's not something to get hung up on for this kind of movie imo. Standards for time travel logic in movies in 2001 weren't quite what they are today. A very short way of summarizing this theory is: The electrical storm has an inverse departure/arrival time relationship. Ashlar's apes eventually progressed technologically to develop space travel and entered through the electrical storm to arrive in Earth's distant past, dominating early humankind. I honestly think we have enough information in the film to infer this is likely what happened, with some wiggle room for interpretation on some of the more specific details. I don't think requires any leaps or stretches to reach this conclusion, but I do understand why the ending was confusing and 1 was there for many years. Like I said before, it's possible someone here already essentially provided this as the explanation, but hopefully this at least reaches someone new and it can provide some kind of closure.

@donaldbishop5320 6 months ago

I LOVED TIM BURTON'S VERSION !!!!!! 👍

@alfredroman5801 5 days ago

How the heck did Earth become rules by apes from the Planet of the Apes when there was no ships? Mark Walbergs character didn’t go forward in time as time reversed when he went through the solar storm again. Did the apes on the planet discover time travel and space flight through being exposed by the technology; where in a thousand years time had the necessary tech to go to Earth and change history? This ending makes no sense!