How Bad are Melee's Low Tiers?

Loved the video, BUUUUT as a Mewtwo player I will say there's a bit of misinformation here. Mainly Mewtwo having a up throw chain grab. He does have incredible combo strings off up throw such as DJC up air regrab, or the beautiful multi Fiar. He also has a pretty good tech chase at low % against just abour everyone with down throw, almost a Sheik level tech chase against Falcon and Falco. Also, Mewtwo doesn't get combed AS badly as people put it due to his air dodge making him practically invisible on the first frame. As for the tail hurtbox due to his amazing wavedash length, and getaway options, the only time you get hit in the tail is a bad tilt on the opponent typically this is only done by your opponent CCing your down tilts. Mewtwo is super misplaced atm, but he's coming up.

It's kinda funny that 3 games later, Roy got a redemption arc and now is considered leagues better than Marth in Ultimate.

One of my favorite Melee jokes is that Zelda, despite being low-tier, has the single greatest move in the game: down+B.

Ganon and bowser really just.. swapped places in ultimate

I think it's funny that Kirby is so low tier considering he's one of the strongest fictional characters.

Zelda was seen as a top 6 character in the early days of melee, she became a low tier just in the 8th tier list, and in pretty much most of the older tier lists she was a mid tier, so she had not only the largest fallof in melee but also one of the largest fallofs in smash

pretty ironic that PK Fire was so laggy in Melee when it's supposed to be spammed to rack up damage as well do combos out of PK Fire as Ness's Adventure trophy description

Its still crazy to me that Amsa took Yoshi, made him a top tier, and is #2 IN THE WORLD with Him!

It's unbelievable how underrated this channel is...

If there's anything Slippi era has proved with Low-Tiers, its that its better to have a decent way to take stocks than it is to have a crappy-but-not-as-crappy-as-other-low-tiers neutral. Ness, Roy, and Game and Watch have way better neutrals than Zelda, but Zelda isn't bodied so hard by other characters and has a much easier time killing and taking stocks. The same goes for Mewtwo, who is incredibly gimmicky but those gimmicks are way better than Roy's lame ass sword or Ness' wonky ass tech. I think those two low-tiers I mentioned are almost guaranteed to go up because getting tournament wins with them seems more feasible because they dont require an arm and a leg to take stock nor really oddly specific tech to win matches. Roy will always feel better to play than Mario, Zelda, Mewtwo, Pichu. That's a given. Until he can't kill at 230% without a read. Then he feels like he's one of the worst characters in the game because (SPOILERS) he actually is.

I feel like Ness is the worst in the game or bottom 2, just a gut feeling. Bowser, Kirby, and Zelda have some interesting stuff, but Ness's up and down smashes barely function as attacks, he has no range, and he has the worst set of specials ever. He straight up has nothing besides an okay set of aerials

I actually think that Kirby is better then Bowser in my opinion. Really the reason I think this are fairly simple where as bowser has to scrap which can be very stage dependent, Kirby doesn't have that problem or at least to the extent that Bowser does due to him mostly playing passively. His back air (literally his best arial) benefits in the fact that it can pseudo wall of pain people if the are new or don't space out there normals correctly and because of his multiple jumps he gets the option to mix-up his approach options in his game plan (double jump bair, use funky tilt into bair, weak smash attack into bair, ect). For his smash attacks while not as damaging and not having as much risk reward as with Bowser they are safer to throw out and are simple to combo into which let's him convert better and get damage fast although this doesn't really help him as he doesn't really have anyway to kill options until there at high %. Ultimately like you said it a matter of opinion it like fighting over the last piece of garbage in a trash bin lol its still going to be shit either way.

If Game and Watch had a proper shield and L Cancelled aerials, where would he fit on a tier list? Sorry if this question was already answered, but i was thinking about this today and I'm intrigued.

Out of the below GW characters, I think the 3 most capable of rising tiers are mewtwo, roy and zelda. Solo zelda is obviously too bad to go up even a single spot, but utilizing her as a mid match counterpick for matchups that could possibly work could give her some more usage besides a last breath recovery option and the occasional funny kick kill. Mewtwo is honestly pretty unexplored and unpopular, I think he could easily go above GW if he had a larger playerbase. And roy is marth but worse, not only does that already give him some hope but zain has also demonstrated roy's potential before.

My most underrated character (and my main since N64) has always been Link. I'm sure once you get to level of wavedashing and etc. he is probably worthless... but I love his moveset so much. I love in casual games setting up traps by doing his down+a aerial - will let Link spin in pretend "still stuck in hitstun" and just jam down hard and hit A. I caught so many people off guard with that over years, it's just so much fun. At least Young Link sees (or at least at some point saw, idk) some play as a counterpick (I think to Jigglypuff?). Worst part of being a long-time Link main... I can't ever grab anyone as other characters because of his hookshot grab and how I'm used to never being that close to other characters.

It's been a long time since I've said this to somebody but you deserve a lot more subscribers. This editing is really, really nice and the content is engaging.

I mained Zelda when I played melee (not Sheik) and was so surprised to learn she was so bad on the the tier lists. She worked well enough against my friends.

Fun fact with Roy, there have been several very high ranked players who have considered that he could work as a specific counter pick to puff and puff alone. I can't recall all of the intricacies of the logic behind it, but I think even mew2king considered him to counter hbox before he retired but decided it wouldn't be worth it. A common thing I have heard is that while he theoretically may be the amount of time and effort you would have to put in just for a relatively niche counter isn't worth it when you could be practicing another character with a wider matchup coverage.

Am a fan of the full body green screen, good video

Mr Game and Watch i think has the most potential of the low tiers tbh