Challenger 605 crashes during approach at Truckee/Tahoe, CA
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Published 2021-07-27
METAR KTRK 262050Z AUTO 28011G16KT 04SM BKN023 33/08 A3013 FU RMK VIS 3 1/2/V5 FU BKN023 ACFT MSHP=
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All Comments (21)
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You can leave your condolences here.
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Well, we can say one thing for certain: that pilot felt 100% confident in the situation right until the literal 2 seconds before the plane crashed with no survivors... that's pretty sobering no matter how you slice it.
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“..Can’t wait to see you guys…”🥺
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I’m here for almost everyone of these because this is a forever learning activity we all enjoy but never have I felt as sick about it as I do right now. His enthusiasm for life was clear and just like that it’s all over. Clear skies and tailwinds brother.
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He sounded like such a nice guy :/ rip
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My heart goes out to the people who lost their lives. The pilot seem so cheerful and confident . I don't understand what could have gone wrong.
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As a 20,000 hour plus challenger 605 pilot I can tell you that the stall characteristics when in a turn happen quickly and violently. I also would suspect in proper usage of the auto throttles. If you look at their flight aware track log you can see where the air speed rapidly deteriorates which would lead me to believe the auto throttles had disengaged and the Pilots did not catch the disconnect
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Runway in sight, no sign of trouble, crew seemed at ease. Interested to see this as it develops.
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Saw this last night; knew I'd watch this today. Keep up the good work
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How bizarre, that was so suddenly and everything seems normal just seconds before... And what is saddest is the guy enthusiasm, so heartbreaking... RIP
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This crashed right begind my workplace in Truckee. We felt the hit and saw the plume of black smoke immediately. VAS, I have some pictures of the scene(if you want to message me)
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Sad. RIP Thank you for sharing. We can only hope we learn from others mistakes.
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Man, I just left Truckee after the weekend just a few hours before. We stayed at the Hampton Inn at the airport. The visibility from the smoke was deceptively bad; it seemed much thicker in certain pockets between the mountains than others right near by. RIP.
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As a fellow pilot this is just horrible to hear. My condolences to the friends and family. I believe I can confidently say all of us in the aviation community feel a loss of fellow pilots and even myself in Canada as I’m sure many others here and all over. Fly high ✈️
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Everything sounded completely routine. I hope the cause is determined quickly.
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Life is precious and short. Cherish every moment. That pilot was so cheery and confident. My heart breaks for him and the other POBs, in spite of me not knowing them.
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Condolences and sympathies. Goes to show that even in ideal conditions things can go tragically wrong in the blink of an eye.
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That's so sad. The pilot sounded so happy and so upbeat. What a loss.
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From the audio in the surveillance cam, it sounds like engines spooled up right after wings leveled and just prior to impact. Ground track indicates a pretty tight turn onto final and if I read it correctly the speed bled off from 190 to 140 ground speed [LWR R target data] in a short space, suggesting that the approach maybe didn't quite stabilize before the turn, but I did see 3 sweeps at 140 though. Also the crash site is quite a bit south of the center line of the runway, suggesting a very high alpha and/or an uncoordinated turn. Wondering, maybe Challengers lack of leading edge devices and a very rapid change in elevator once he realized what was going on separated flow? I recall old DC-9-10's had no leading edge devices and we lost one at Denver with some ice on the wing and rapid rotation.
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Low visibility, plus keeping the airport in sight on a visual approach means slower, tighter turns in close to the airport. On what seems like a nice day it would be hard to choose the extra time required for a full approach leading to a stabilized approach. Or, something else!