Are we ready to live in a NUCLEAR SILO?

There has been a calculation error on my part!!! Climbing 1.6 km of stairs would only take a few days (max) to climb, NOT months... Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the correction!!! (Also, I’m a slow walker 😆)

Dami is the only person to convince me to live in a silo, and then immediately told me it was a bad idea.

I've always thought that if you were to make a very large communal bunker, one key aspect would be to have several large, central areas that mimic external areas. Say for example, having a pedestrian city street and town square, with facilities and homes with windows looking out on it to give the illusion of an exterior space. Even if the bunker is large, if you could hop onto a bike and pedal your way across it, that would be beneficial for the occupants.

11:58 "the journey between floors should take days and from top to bottom it should take months". 144 floors 15 meters apart are just a bit more than 2 km. That's a rather small mountain to climb. The rule of thumb for hikers is that 100 m of elevation take 15 minutes, so that would be less than 6 hours from bottom to top. Probably 8 including rests. (Sorry for nitpicking)

I remember reading the excellent book "Raven Rock" by Garrett Graff about the US government's post-apocalyptic survival plans, and what always stuck with me was the response of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court when he was offered a chance to ride out a hypothetical nuclear war with the rest of the government. After being told what this would actually entail, he refused, and basically said that he would rather die in a nuclear war than have to live underground with nothing but the Joint Chiefs of Staff for company. Strong Dr. Strangelove vibes to the whole concept. We Must Not Allow A Mineshaft Gap.

More studies have shown that instead of people going feral in times of catastrophe, they organize for the collective good, so maybe we need more media and stories about that, to get rid of this idea 'you're on your own' the problem with a bunker of course is, what do you do when/if you get out? In the movie Threads, a town committee goes down into their bunker, and the town hall above collapses on it, so they all suffocate inside, unable to help the community they were supposed to be protecting.

gotta say, the earth scraper that was shown that was a kind of reverse pyramid approach was cool imo. We always think about building higher and higher, but having visible access to light all the way to the bottom of the underground structure seems like a solid option to not feel berried and also have a mega structure.

There's an old Polish sci-fi from 1984 called Seksmisja about two men woken from cryo sleep to find themselves in an all-women society living in an underground bunker. The way information was collected and controlled in the story made it a metaphor for living under Russian oppression. Pretty interesting looking back at it now.

Just noticed, the channels got over 1.5 million subs now! Congratulations!

Remember the supply chain issues during the pandemic? I don't understand personal bunkers. Our species has relied on collective cooperation as a bare minimum.

Zion is my favourite version of this style of bunker. I particularly liked the fact they had access to a cave to at least feel connected physically to an environment outside of the manufactured. It's a connection to something natural, not nature itself as would have existed on the surface, but something not created by man or machine.

Something I have noticed is that many of those who are most enthusiastic about bunkers and end-of-world prepping (vs prepping for much more likely natural disasters) is their, already existing, alienation from society. This can be because they are socially isolated individuals due to personality, or ideological reasons, or because their extreme wealth has elevated them outside of normal human interaction (maybe a combination of those three). People who dream of surviving the apocalypse in a bunker have given up on trying to be part of the solution to stop the apocalypse from happening. They aren't even interested in working with other people to that end. They gave up. Which makes me wonder how they think they will manage to survive a real catastrophe in a bunker when they already show they are too weak to even try hard things like working with other people to fix the problems of the world? Prepping for a disaster is arguably very smart, especially if you are not within quick response distance for relief and rescue. Prepping for the end of the world is a waste of money, and shows you either have too much money, or you have very little understanding of the value of money.

going back to tsutomu nihei, the silo reminds me of his manga Knights of Sidonia where the remnants of humanity live in a spacefaring "seed ship" called the Sidonia. it's structured exactly like the silo but is 28km long, with residential housing attached onto the outside of the central shaft ( what was the barrel of a massive ship-long cannon ), a sea populated with fish, a beach suspended from the ground, along with commercial, residential, and manufacturing districts located along and inside the outer wall. even some parts have districts with japanese style houses and religious shrines, its very cool

No thank you! 😁 I live in the countryside in Germany, lots of trees, lots of nature and, more importantly, its getting really dark during nighttime, so dark that i can actually see the milky-way galaxy and lots and lots of stars. I wouldn't change it for all the riches in the world!

i read a book called Wool and it takes place in a silo like this, maintenance in the very bottom, all admin up top, the low skill workers spend all day transporting products and message by stair. the worst punishment is getting sent outside in a suit that will fail and let radiation in, nost people are given wool rags to optionally clean windows so the people inside can see outside.

There are parallels to living in a space settlement like an O'Neil cylinder: inhospitable outside, self-sustaining environment, limited resources.

While one might feel some security in having a bunker, the bigger question is "would you want to live in the post apocolypse?" Surviving an event and living for a few days, weeks or even a year in a bunker in whatever level of comfort you can afford is fine. But you're either going to die in there, making it a tomb, or you, or your descendants, are going to have to come out at some point and try to exist in the world with whatever and whomever else is there. I guess that's just the human drive to survive. The stories in the City of Ember series take on similar issues.

Reading the entire series makes the show more understandable: Wool Shift Dust The show is essentially based on the first book, wool. It will be interesting to see if the series will continue through shift and dust story lines.

So… what Vault number is this?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Prepping, especially in terms of stocking up on food and other supplies, isn’t just for civilization ending events. It can help in situations most of us will experience. You lost your job? Stocked up food can save you quite a bit of money while looking for a new one. Scratch that. Any conceivable circumstances when you must save as much as possible is a good example of when it could come in useful.