Are Version 2 Characters Still Good? | Genshin Impact

So regarding my Yun Jin evaluation I zeroed in on her attack speed boosting aspect without giving enough credit to her attack damage boost via her ultimate and I should've at least mentioned that part too. But I stand by the opinion that at the present moment she's just outclassed by a number of other damage augmenting supports with better universal application that even within her own niche there are plenty of other choices you would want to pick before you arrive at her. She definitely has potential to return to form if we have other hp/def scaling normal attackers like @yeguang7095 said but compared to where she was when she first came out to where she is now, like I said in the video: instead of enhancing normal attack damage/speed there are supports who can either just boost total damage (not just for one person but for the entire party) or they themselves can bring the damage. Technically speaking Yun Jin is niche, but pragmatically speaking her niche is extremely overrideable. She would need to provide offensive bonuses on the level of Shenhe to make players want to consider fielding her when they can field more damage, as opposed to Shenhe where her cryo enhancement is SO big and all encompassing (covers attacks, skills, bursts, etc.) that there's veritable reason to use her over Bennett/Xingqiu/Kazuha/Yelan/Shogun/etc. in regards to supporting. For teams where you could field Yun Jin such as boosting Yoimiya or Ayato damage, you could replace her with anyone else. Point being she does have a niche but doesn't do it good enough, which is why I consider her benched.

I would argue that Yun Jin belongs in niche since her Normal Attack bonus damage is comparable to Bennett’s Atk buff. She would be even better if future characters have normal attacks that purely scales of Hp and Def; being a dmg support means she’s always going to get better over time.

Yun Jin’s primary role is buffing normal attacks, I think you’re mixing her up with Mika. She gets the attack speed buffing at I think around c4 or c6

Sayu powercreep everyone in exploration tho. She heals, giving anemo resonance, makes crystalflies easier to catch, mining ores, and going from point A to B so much faster all in one package

Yelan is hands down one of the most insane characters to this day. She’s so insanely overpowered

Not a bad tierlist, but I dont agree with your reasoning for Heizou, the existence of better characters doesnt make characters out right bad. Heizou is still very much usable and capable unit.

Yoimiya should’ve been given the normal attack ability like Itto and “Wriothsley”(idk how to spell it) where you can still complete your attack combo after you dodge

I'd honestly argue that heizou was a bit unfairly placed because he was never meant to support, and yet you compared him to three supports , it's understandable to compare him to wanderer and xiao cuz all three of them are DPS units and if you'd just compared him to them from the start it would make more sense for him to not be the best , but comparing a dps to supports and then saying he was never good cuz he doesn't support as well isn't really fair imo .

I can't wait for "Why everyone uses Furina" in a few weeks

Yin Jin’s main aspect of her kit is normal attack damage buff not normal attack speed that’s just her c6, I believe she should be in niche cus I can see how she would be more relevant as more normal attackers come out

Heizou vs Wanderer/Xiao would've been a better comparison from the beginning because of his role instead of comparing him with Sucrose and Kazuha.

With the predicted release of Navia in 4.3 and a supposed other 5-star geo character, I do hope they'll improve and utilize things like crystallization and stat buffs. With the 4-star HP claymore on banners, I wonder whether or not Navia or a future hydro claymore would be able to use its HP and EM benefits.

Putting Sara in niche and then putting Gorou in benched just seems a bit contradictory. Geo works almost exclusively of Gorou and Itto relies on him a lot to get the proper support he needs. You mention Sara not being BiS that much anymore for the very thing she's supposed to do in team comps but Gorou gets put in benched despite being very literally the best option for Geo focused teams doesn't make sense. You can argue that because of Itto's damage falling off a bit lately that Gorou doesn't have a place but that's more of an issue of his damage carry being worse than him not being able to do his job. He provides everything his teams need, it isn't him being the weak point. I think he still fills the niche he's suppose to but his carries aren't as good as they use to but still useable.

Mono Geo is definitely still Okay at least. I play my Itto team every now and then just because I love playing itto and I'm always surprised how easily it clears abyss. Geo doomerism is so prevelant that I forget how strong my mono geo team actually is (it is high invested and really well optimized tho)

Sayu was almost forgotten it seems. Yun Jin definitely deserves better especially if we're looking at her with constellations, she focuses on normal atk damage increase. She's indispensable for my Yoimiya team and she works on many different teams she's a versatile yet niche unit not benched. Only Yun Jin and Candace directly boost normal attack damage. Definitely downplaying Heizou, he is one of the best elements in the game, with a small em buff and also has decent on field damage to drive teams that require normal attacks. He's a capable and decent unit for what he wants to do even if there's another who is better then him. He's a versatile unit who can be used in many teams even if he's not best, just like how characters like Ayato and Raiden can be used in a lot of teams but isn't best. I think he belongs in ok.

I will say this again and again, people underestimate the versatility of Ayato, Ayato was never meant to be a hyper-carry, he is best use as the Driver/ main DPS slot for any team archetype that needs hydro, he doesn’t need to change builds around, you build him as the normal DPS with good gear and you can slap him anywhere. In my opinion he should be a higher tier over Yoimiya just for the fact that he is a hydro character.

Yunjin is Shenhe for normal attacks. It's a massive flat damage buff of the same type. ASPD is just a secondary effect and C6 locked too. She should be in niche. Also Thoma should be in niche because he does not trigger his shield without spamming normal attacks.

Of the characters you mention that compete with Heizou, only Sucrose is a 4 star. Heizou outlaces her for anemo damage as a DPS, and is on par with Ningguang for personal damage. The main reason Heizou's release was awkward was because he came so late that most players would have already heavily invested into better non-anemo 5 stars DPS, else a 4 star team that heizou wouldn't have added much to (unlike support Sucrose). Basically Heizou came too late to be useful to long-term players. It's not because he was outpaced by Venti (who was not very effective against Inazuma enemies), Xiao, or Wanderer.

Saying mono geo is rendered obsolete makes it pretty clear you don't use it, "rendered obsolete" is implying it isnt even usable. i have C2 itto and he pretty much matches most of my teams dps and clears abyss with zero issue 2 years later.

Heizou's niche is having the best birthday art.