The HA'TAK | A tool of fear and chariot of the false gods

Published 2024-04-27
Generic greetings and welcome to the long awaited return of the basement dwelling content gremlin also known as, Steve. Today we're covering the Ha'tak, one of the coolest looking but most painfully garbage ships in all of science fiction. The punching bag of the setting, ego chariot of the false gods and a cursed nightmare of strange decisions and even stranger consequences.

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All Comments (21)
  • @SerraRoyale-MG
    Jack said something about the jaffa staff weapons vs the p90s in an episode that I think applys to the Hatak vs the Daedalus as well. "This is a weapon of terror. It is made to intimidate your enemy. And this is a weapon of war. It is made to kill your enemy."
  • @roguedruid
    Nice to see that Steve woke up from his coma.
  • @WarbossGubbinz
    I think this was somewhat explained in the series if my memory is correct, "Adversity breeds ingenuity" the Goa'uld were stagnant for so long that they lost their edge, they couldn't react quickly enough. So many systems were under their control that they didn't need to advance.
  • @sdAlex46and2
    O'Neill naild it when he said Goauld weapons were "weapons of terror" not weapons of "death"
  • @AlMcpherson79
    a bunch off people got hold of the screen-used CG models, and by scaling the F-302 for the pilots, they got the scale of that, and consequently the scale of the daedalus. each flight pod of the 304 is the size of an Aircraft carrier... making the overall ship atleast about TWICE that.
  • @Jager1967
    Actually, if I'm remembering correctly the in-universe lore, The Ha'Tak has only been around since the beginning of Earth's 14th century or 1400's. I believe this is from Jacob Carter/Selmak during the episode Prototype, when O'Neill and Teal'c get stranded aboard a retrofitted Death Glider that had an unknown recall device aboard it, and he's lecturing Samantha and Daniel on the recklessness of the situation they are in right now. So, from that statement we can assume they had Tel'tacs(Cargo Ships), Al'kesh(Frigates) and possibly a much smaller and more primitive capital ship until then, because the Gou'lds don't really innovate tech so much as steal, copy, and repurpose from those they conquer, or straight up grave rob it.
  • @Gibbons3457
    In the Ha'tak's defence, it's literally an armed transport. It was never supposed to be a warship. The capital ships Apophis and Anubis use are warships. The System Lords just never bothered building a proper navy and are stuck with a fleet of glorified troop carriers instead once shit hits the fan.
  • @IAmTheAce5
    Maybe you can help us convince Media Zealot to get going on “sci-fi civilizations too stupid to exist/villains too stupid to win: the Gould”
  • @Lumen_Obscurum
    So, a few things of note: The Goa'uld as we see them after the start of SG-1 are essentially the Holy Roman Empire not long after the Emperor has died with no direct, recognised heir. The movie establishes that Ra as basically The Guy, with the System Lords as a council below his authority after he schemed and took the throne from Anubis who had schemed and taken it from Osiris. Basically this is the Goa'uld at their most vulnerable, then an actual military turns up to their slave/terror empire and goes "We could take them." And legitimately causes one of the most trusted of the enslaved warrior caste to revolt instantly because it is the first time it's seemed believable that freedom was possible. Then you have, as you said, the problem that every system lord was isolationist and refused to share any technology because they were alway looking for an edge over their neighbour. Which means you can't get the best and brightest all working on a problem and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. I always got the feeling that if Ra had been around, that the System Lords would have been marshalled into a semi-functioning alliance rather than a bunch of people who just agreed not to openly punch each other in the dick. There's also the fact that the Tok'ra had been actively, constantly using sabotage and false evidence to pit the System Lords against each other. Basically using their hostile, untrustworthy natures against them. It's also that this is the Holy Roman Empire, only lords can't just die of natural causes and so are constantly carrying around grudges from millennia ago despite the fact they have literally changed body dozens of times since then. Like, your house is already better than it was. Stop being annoyed that he chopped down an oak tree (Killed a whole town of slaves) a century ago, and plant a new fucking oak tree you fucking twat. Like, the fact they are so incredibly, stupidly petty is why they are just so fucking incompetent and perfect as an enemy. They fucking suck, you can't even trust them when they're working with you because they can't trust anyone to have the same knowledge they do, so they WILL betray you. Like the fact that SG-1 could tell when Goa'uld had actually figured shit out because they acted with humility that they were incompetent rather than enraged at the problem.
  • @barrybend7189
    B5 Centauri starfighter looks more like the death glider.
  • Due to the Goa'uld constantly sabotaging themselves, any System Lord that that developed a better design was torn apart by all the other lords to get it plus it was built using unskilled slaves and designed to be operated by barely educated Jaffa. it had the potential to be a absolute beast but never got the chance. The replicators doing simple modifications within MINUETS got the hyperdrive over 800 times it's normal maximum speed and went multiple times even faster later on.
  • @Hartzilla2007
    To be fair The Goa'uld mostly just had to deal with humans where the sword was their most advanced weapon.
  • @dawall3732
    The only thing the Goa'uld did better than everyone else was. Make their capital ships larger on the inside than the outside. That's how they can fit a 4 sided Pyramid inside of a 3 sided Pyramid ship. And still have room for 750,000 tons of cargo, several 100,000 plus troops, several hundred fightercraft. Some light bombers and heavy troop transport ships. The Goa'uld are shown to use what many fans refer to as (flat space) or some form of dimensional folding in their technology to fit something huge into something small. You would think at some point they stole Doctor who's tardis and got a handle on its spacial manipulating technology.
  • @hobomacjones
    "They didn't even save it to a PDF" makes me imagine one of the System Lords being all cocky at a computer interface, and gradually becoming more and more frustrated because they want to save it to a PDF, but can't figure out how. And then they blast the terminal.
  • @ltcinsane
    Replicants: Thank you systems lords for all the tasty technomass!
  • @The_Viscount
    I remain convinced that the term "staff weapon" is analogous to the term "rifle." In our real world, the term rifle has been used to describe infantry weapons, rifled cannons, and rifled battleship cannons. So, "staff weapon" is probably just the category of Gould energy weapon operating on a specific principle. After all, there's a big difference between a M1 Garand, a 57mm recoiless rifle, and a 16"/50cal naval rifle (USS Iowa guns).
  • @vi6ddarkking
    An interesting thought. If The SGC actually got to keep Cronos' HA'TAK and the Tok'ra lent their expertise as it was the plan originally. Before the whole exploding a sun and being sent to another galaxy happend. The Prometheus and the Dedalus would have looked rather different. Since with the Staff Cannon now mass producible and them being the most powerful ship to ship a weapon the Tau'ri had available. They would have gone to more of a Space Battleship Route. With the Prometheus looking like a cross between the Murasame-class Cruiser form Space Battleship Yamato and the Adamant-class Frigate from Battlestar Galactica Deadlock. And the Dedalus like a mix of the Kongo-class Space Battleship also form Space Battleship Yamato and the Valkyrie Class Battlestar.
  • The other thing the Death glider looks like the Klingon Bird of Prey and in Star Wars the V-wing Airspeeder.
  • @dariustiapula
    The only bad guys that doesn't have explodium in their consoles.
  • @aka-47k
    you forgot the most stupid thing: its a 3 side pyramid landing atop 4 side pyramid!