The Great Rank Debate feat. bame1, Arrge & SINotFound

Platinum is the rank that’s high enough for players to REALLY care about their rank, but still too low for players to realize when they are the issue

WE GOT FINALLY GOT HIM THE MAN THE LEGEND BAME1!!!

“I’ll take a one trick if he knows what he’s doing” I felt that

as someone who previously was very competetive but also very emotionally dependent on his success in ranked i wanna say this: lately, i kinda have figured out how to not be affected by my game to game success and if my team is throwing or not. now my approach has become just doing the best that i can. this includes schotcalling, mostly playing offtank, being very hard to tilt most of the times and also being lighthearted about the game when it really is fun and my team is doing great. this has allowed me to get like 200-300 sr higher average, from 3k (half my time in high plat and half my time in low diamond) to now being 3.1 to 3.3 k. i now have more fun with the game, i care less about if my team is playing perfect overwatch and more about if i understand how i can maximize my impact. this has taken me years of playing teambased competetive games though. i can understand everybody that struggles with that especially in high plat. what i dont really get behind is the whole "playing for fun vs playing for the win" type of deal. for me, success and winning is fun, therefor i wanna understand the game. understand how i can maximize my decisionmaking and impact. that problem solving process is the fun. other people in low elo wanna climb but they dont wanna learn. they basically want success without being better than their rank. and that cant work. because no matter if you want to be better at the game or not, your skill level determines your mmr. and if you dont think your current elo suits your skill level, then you gotta prove it. the reality is: if you are in gold, and you cant climb, you gotta ask yourself the question: is the game fun for me here in gold? if not, then you should either not play the game or try everything to climb and see if the experience gets better or if you yourself are the real reason of why the game isnt fun for you. and if thats the case then you should work on your mindset. if you dont want that then you better be happy with your rank.

i feel like the game is at its most fun when your team is working together, win or lose, thats why it can be frustrating when someones throwing or not commincating or just bad

my experience with low ranks: people getting mad and tilted when not winning or getting carried enough. I don't meet people who play for fun I meet people who are too tilted to climb. And that makes it less fun for me to play, because I just find it hard to have fun with there's negative energy everywhere..

The worst rank is Whichever rank im currently in

Bame1 spot on with the unendorsment level. Xbox use to have that. Where it would tell you to avoid people that got reported to much.

Are one tricks acceptable? Short answer is Yes with an if; long answer is No with a but.

Aarge : Imagine I'm playing Hanzo and the enemy has a pharah.

Take a shot every time SINotfound says like

Man I love these Great Debates.

I’m glad everyone is so positive and considerate, but sometimes you just want to ask that hard countered onetrick “are you really having fun if you’ve spent more time in the spawn screen than the game?” Lol. Great video as always SVB. Always a pleasure to watch.

One thing I never understood is if you want to just chill and have fun, lets say after a rough 10 hour shift at work you just want to unwind and enjoy a game or two of OW, why not just play quickplay or arcade? Why go into comp and deal with people who arent in the same state of mind as you, people who are trying hard to rank up, people who will be toxic at you for not being as serious as them? Why put yourself and teammates through all that if you truly just want to have fun? In my opinion, people don't just want to have fun, they want the validation and excitement from being in a somewhat serious environment and ranking up in addition to having fun, but to truly get the most out of that I think it's best to be a little more serious in comp or otherwise just play quickplay? I don't know, curious on everyone's thoughts.

As someone that plays Overwatch pretty casually I feel Bame1 on a spiritual level.

What's so weird to me is the idea of people playing competitive just for fun. I have so little time in comp because I only play this game for fun and my mindset has always been "you're just a casual, you don't need a golden gun, nobody would even want to queue into a game with a hog one-trick anyway." I'm not saying I'll play comp more, but I must say this revelation has really given me something to think about.

This is a step in the right direction, but we DEFINITELY need a console / PC debate (from a wide variety of ranks). Discuss topics like Pharah, smurfs, Blizzard not responding to reports on console, etc.

As someone who's climbed from Silver to GM, Plat is the worst rank in the game. For one, up until plat you can play Battle Mercy and get out if you're good. You don't need your team at all to play in the metal ranks, if you yourself are better than that rank you will absolutely climb. Plat is the first rank where team cohesion, ult synergy, team comp, etc actually matters. It's also above gold, and since gold is the average, Plat means you're better than the average player. What this means is that people start to care about their rank way more than in the previous ranks. However, a lot of these players came out of Gold blaming everyone else for their own mistakes, and that doesn't change. They're high enough sr that they think they're good, but in actuality they suck. What that means is you get a hyper toxic environment, in the first rank where you need to start playing with your team and can't just solo carry on Doomfist because you got mad and threw a hissy fit the girl on your team wasn't playing Mercy.

Grouping up is the biggest problem. U feel like u can't learn shit if there's no teamfight, and there's no teamfights in quickplay, or in the first 3 ranks to a degree (mainly because of a self fulfilling prophecy of oh we lost bc we have no shield tank and Ana let me just run out of spawn and try to shoot something in the face before I drop) For this reason u will see that players playing heros that can duel tend to group up less where heros like most supports and main tanks will wait for the team more. They can't have fun unless there is a fight. If quickplay actually resembled a decent game of overwatch I would go there for my one tricking shenanigans, but until then every now and then my team will have to deal with the guy who's not in voice trying to force a hero by using crazy plays and positioning

As a main tank player who was masters and had to deal with hog Zarya meta dropping me into high diamond like the higher you climb the less viable it is to be not be able to flex enough within your own role