Destiny 2 Lore - Is THIS how Cayde gets resurrected in The Final Shape?

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I remember Ikora saying "I wish you could have been there," in the teaser trailer for The Final Shape. With all this Ahamkara magic going on, I'm now much more worried about that choice of phrase.

I think Crow wishing he could just "tell" Cayde that he shouldn't have done it, is what gets Crow through the portal. Crow gets through the portal and gets to see Cayde and tell him. This would also make Crow killing Cayde alway part of the plan so Crow would make the wish to tell Cayde he shouldn't have done it.

One quick correction, Byf: Riven's exact words were "Savathun's wish will undoubtedly be the last I grant." That doesn't mean she can't grant extra wishes between now and when she grants Savathun's wish.

I think Riven could fulfill this wish BY fulfilling Savathun's wish of someone following the Witness, thus allowing it to be "another" wish. Crow goes to fulfill Savathun's wish, and in the course of that he is met with this sort of "phantom" Cayde. Regardless of how it happens, I love the storyline this season and Crow's arc here. He's truly being a hunter following the Way of the Pathfinder while also maintaining his core as Uldren- as someone who is daring and learning to be so on his own, with a healthier connection to Mara than before.

I think that this all hints at Riven possibly having affection toward Crow and feeling bad about how his life turned out after she manipulated him and it didn't turn out as Riven intended Forsaken to go. I think she genuinely likes Crow and possibly admires/respsects Mara in a way. Crow asked if she mourned "I did.... [Riven] is silent for a moment. 'And I regret what I did to you. The manipulation'..." I know Riven said she'd grant one last wish, but this seems to be her trying to fix what she broke in Crow/Uldren and make ammends for how his life went when she got involved. If it weren't for Riven, Uldren wouldn't have created the Skorn, killed Cayde, the Dreaming City was cursed, Savathun's (Osiris) manipulation, Crow being killed/beaten repeatedly by angry Guardians, always feeling alone, etc. Riven isn't bad/evil she's just chaotic and after we save her kids, she remembers her husband being a kind being, it makes her take on some of that and try to do good before she dies?..dies again?

"the right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.". I do think this line works for this scenario as well.

If this is how Cayde comes back, personally, I LOVE IT! I feel it is a much more creative way to bring him back with some really cool story implications. Edit: I also really like how, if Riven does indeed fulfil Crow's wish, the story really comes full circle. The next question is did she do it maliciously or did she take a page out of Taranis's book as her final act? Who knows. I'm all over this story man!

Riven is a better sibling figure to Crow than Mara confirmed. I jest, but... honestly, if we assume Riven isn't only saying what she is to wear down Crow's defenses but is instead genuine, the tone of this lore tab changes completely. I don't find it impossible that she regrets her past actions and is taking pity on him.

i got chills when you said "oh brother mine" in the darker tone and it was great lol

"It's a risky plan for sure." Remember that one time we already did this with the Dreadnought?

I think Riven might just combine Crow's "wish" into the act of granting Savathun's Wish, so that Cayde's visage is the one who we all meet inside the Pale Heart.

I actually just noticed that the Wishes of Sorrow ornament for Thorn has the the same glow Cayde and the Ace of Spades have inside the Travler

Is this also how the Skrank Gang returns?

I love this potential revelation. Cayde being resurrected through wish magic would certainly be a great way for his appearance in The Final Shape to be justified. I feel that it also lends more credence to Bungie's team calling him our Vergil in this metaphorical Dante's Inferno of an expansion.

Mara says in the opening of the last wish raid “ Riven is the last KNOWN “

I like how Mara said trust riven to do her part. I feel like the old Mara would have caged her and forced her in case as a back up plan

Gonna throw two theories of my own out there. One, I think Byf is right that Riven is going to grant Crow's wish, but a little differently than we might expect. After all, they feed on the chaos between reality and what is desired. Twisting the wish just enough to allow Crow to communicate with Cayde could give her a boost to survive. I think the second wish will be her own. I think she's going to pull a Taranis and sacrifice her essence for her children, since it's going to fade either way. The second thing is that bit about the 7 Ahamkara and their guardian pursuers. I'm wondering if maybe that's how Lady Efrideet's secret guardian community somewhere out in the farther reaches of the solar system was created? It would explain why it's never been found. Those guardians wish for a peaceful, protected place to live and some like minded wish dragons are happy to oblige. It's a bit more out there as theories go, but conceptually it could explain a 7 1/2 year old mystery.

welcome back Byf. Glad you're feeling better!

I guess the name chosen for the ship (most likely one, that will be paramount to opening a portal in The Final Shape?) being "Unforeseen Consequences" is no coincidence. This is also the name of the chapter in Half-Life, where scientist (and protagonist) of the game Gordon Freeman finds himself after conducting an experiment in a test chamber (which also is quite similar in design to the ship or more likely: vice versa). In Half-Life, as a result of the experiment, a portal to the alien world of Xen is opened. Sounds familiar? ;) This event triggers more of these events in the future, leading to the Seven Hour War that was shown in Half-Life 2. Maybe, this is how the franchise will possibly continue after The Final Shape?