Pope Francis: Is He Really an Antipope? w/ Ralph Martin

What is really sure and clear is that God want us to pray for the Pope, for all the members of His Church and for all the human beings in the world. If we do this we won´t be wrong. The Pope needs our pray to God.

Matt, have you attempted to host a dialogue with any of the Pope's detractors? I find it that we are too often willing to dialogue with people who absolutely are opposed to our Faith, but rarely the dissenting voices within it.

Thanks.. That was very calming for those of us who forget that God is in charge!

I like both Patrick Coffin and Dr. Marshall and I dislike Pope Francis. That said, I don't think Pope Francis is an anti-pope, I just think he's not a very good pope....

Wish you would have discussed the heresy part more rather than the idea of Benedict being pope still.

When Henry IV of France sought the revocation of excommunication after renouncing Calvinism, Pope Clement VIII refused to budge. Philip Neri, who personally renounced involvement in politics, was troubled that this would lead to a heretical relapse and a resurgence of the civil war in France. He approached Ceasar Baronius, a member of his Oratory and the pope's confessor, and persuaded him to refuse Clement absolution and resign the office of confessor unless the latter relented. The pope capitulated! Yes, St Philip Neri was capable of such cunning and device. Yet, no catholic would deny his christian joyfulness, or his simplicity, or his great love of the truth, his renouncing of all things worldly and his love for the poor. It was thought two of his ribs were broken from an enlarged heart brimming with compassion for penitents. Neri would make the acquaintance of another great saint in 1544. Of starkly different opposing characters and temperaments, it would be presumptious to call them friends. Yet in the company of heaven, both are brothers in an unbreakable familial bond. No wonder then that the Jesuits courted Neri to join their ranks. This leads us to wonder what Thomas Merton defines as the 'eternal conflict' in christianity. That both men, from a single source, yet given to the interior liberty within, willingly take on seemingly contradictory positions to exist as the other. As Merton quotes St Paul, "We have to be pure minded, forgiving and gracious to others; we have to rely on the Holy Spirit, on the truth of our message, on the power of God. To the right and left, we must be armed with innocence, now honoured, now slighted, now tradduced, now flattered. They call us deceivers and we tell the truth; unknown and we are freely acknowledged; dying men, and see we live; punished, yes, but not doomed to die; sad men that rejoice continually; beggars that bring riches to many; disinherited and the world is ours." May God save Pope Francis from error and give him clarity!

Matt, love you, but respectfully, you're not being fair to Patrick or Taylor. They both say outright that they are NOT accusing the Pope and they don't have the authority to do that. They are right to point out what the Church teaches and compare it to what Francis teaches. To do otherwise would be to obfuscate the truth of the situation and hide behind false obedience. I think a long form discussion with either of them would be awesome. You are really great at playing devil's advocate and really forcing people to defend their positions. If you'll have Dave Rubin on, I don't think you have any grounds to not have these actual Catholics on.

The problem with Brian Holdsworth's wager is that it basically assumes that the actions and teachings of a Pope have no impact or value on anything or anyone. It does not account for the impact the heretical teachings of Francis has on peoples lives both naturally and supernaturally. If Catholics are going to believe in natural law and both natural and supernatural consequences for sin, the wager proposed by Brian is inadequate. Pope Francis routinely teaches things both officially and unofficially that Catholic teaching indicates will get you sent to hell. Furthermore, Francis' teachings on things like contraception and divorce and remarriage can have great negative impacts on families. Either we believe sin has negative impacts or not. And if we do believe sin has both natural and supernatural destructive consequences on people's lives we must forcefully reject the teachings of "pope" Francis. Not to mention, how are you supposed to teach kids that the Church is true and timeless and that the Pope has "infallibility" under some circumstances (and in general is supposed to be listened to), while simultaneously telling them not to pay too much attention to the teachings of Pope Francis that are heretical? If you listen to Francis, apostates are part of the communion of saints, hell doesn't exit, divorce and remarriage is fine, idolotry is fine, all religions are willed by God, Martin Luther is worth of emulation, contraception is ok under some circumstances, the list goes on and one. There is a serious problem here.

I'm a Proud Catholic, but Pope Francis has said many strange things that caused more division than unifying.

If Bergoglio is not the true pope, we have a problem. If he IS the true pope, we have a BIGGER problem.

It is great to hear two level-headed Catholics discuss this situation. I came here right after a totally different video from another camp. Lord have mercy! This is where the peace is. Thanks for posting.

The very fact that people are debating as to whether Francis is or is not an Anti-Pope just shows you how dire his Papacy has become whether it is an anti-papacy or not.

Just subscribed. I like your content and the way you approach certain issues in the Church today. I like that emotion is tempered and logic and reason are utilized to discuss these issues. Thank you and I’ll be watching👀

"Inconsistent Leadership" gotta be the oxymoron of the year :D

The error that some (well-meaning) Catholics make is to fall for a theory that simplifies the problems they see in the Church. Ultimately, the answer to the current condition in the Church is the Cross. We are tempted (like ALL of the Apostles, save John) to run away from the Cross, to run away from the pain and suffering that we experience. No, Pope Francis is the Pope. The Church is at the Cross. We can choose to be like John, who stayed by Christ's side or we can run away. Let us stay with Christ and His Church all the way to the bitter end. Then, there's Easter. Rejoice!

Come on guys it's the triduum. Let's not have one of these discussions during the holiest days of the year. Peace to all men of goodwill.

It's rather heartbreaking to live in a time where saying "the Pope is probably not an antipope" is a pretty charitable take on his papacy. I genuinely have a hard time thinking of things Pope Francis has done which have been uncontroversially good for the faithful. Yet the examples of things he has done which are controversial at best, and hostile to the faithful at worst, is growing.

I don’t think Patrick Coffin should be publicly teaching the idea, but I don’t think he’s wrong either. I find the evidence extremely compelling and although I LOVE Ralph Martin his response feels lacking

We've had bad popes before. We survived them and we'll survive any that come. Francis is impetuous, sometimes annoying, and sometimes wrong. (And we have to remember that, given how anti-religious the media can be, we may not always being given the full story in context.) He's still Pope. And like all before him, one day he'll be gone and there will be another pope. And the Church will go on.

We should pray for the Holy Father as our Blessed Mother has requested us too do .