How does Mizora's deal change if you already went to Iron Throne?

The outcome was a bit disappointing. I haven't found any explanation why exactly is the Duke dead, so it feels a bit like an artificial plot device so Mizora has a reason to come to your camp and ask for Wyll's soul. I tried different save states, but Duke was always dead. In the end, if you want to have a chance to save both Ravengards, you need to wait for Mizora to come to your camp, refuse her and only then go to the Iron Throne.

"Hold on a second Mizora, ladies, I want to get a second opinion. Withers! Can you come here? I want to ask you about the cost of something."

shit I wanted her to look surprised, like for once you're actually one step ahead of her

This implies Mizora kills Ravengard in this scenario just so she has a bargaining chip for Wyll.

3:52 She signs Wyll's name on the contract, he doesn't actually sign it. That's a forgery, Mizora, it's not a legally binding contract.

That “SILENCE, KARLACH!” always cracks me up 😂

I made him break the pact and then i stumbled across the iron throne. Daddy was still alive (though was very close to being killed by exploding spiders) and saved him without Mizoras help

Theo did such a great job portraying Wyll's grief in this moment.

They even revived the Parasite, what a nice bonus!

I mean... Withers is literally a few meters away.

Honestly: I think Mizora has a stronger hand if the Duke is already dead. "Resurrect him" is a stronger argument than "I will protect him", because with the protection scenario, by refusing you at least gives the player hope of saving him while not needing Mizora's help. But the resurrection angle is clearer and gives the player no hope of resolving it by themselves.

Me with the scroll of Resurrection I stole from Gale: -.- "I thought the Absolute would have use for him. A general, a figurehead, *something*. Why infect and imprison him, only to kill him?" For plot reasons, Wyll. Plot reasons.

What's funny, is that lore-wise, Wyll doesn't even need to get a pact with a devil to resurrect his father. He just needs to go on a journey to find someone that knows how to cast True Resurrection and convince them to resurrect his father. It's definitely hard, but arguably better than taking the easy way out.

I'm gonna theory craft an explanation here that might help rectify this. The Duke is dead upon arriving at the Iron Throne. Mizora is a warlock patron, who surely has more warlocks in her employ - especially ones who would more dubious and loyal than sweetheart Wyll. Lets assume she assigns one of her stronger warlocks to teleport into the Iron Throne (assuming the prison isnt lead-lined to prevent magic), and assassinate the imprisoned duke. That contract is completed and the Duke's death marks his soul for no resurrection. Then, when Mizora offers the resurrection, she explains that "an extraordinary death by an otherworldly creature prevents a typical resurrection, pet. You'd be surprised by the power of the Absolute". She wouldn't be lying - its just two unrelated sentences to make it seem like the Absolute killed the Duke. But, another contract would supercede the death mark provided by the first contract. The fact that resurrection is so readily in Forgotten Realms causes issues for the stories of CRPGs because its hard to keep a handle on, so you'd have to add some BS like this to suppress it.

While it does make sense that a devil would try to outsmart us like that, it really does not make sense that Ravengard dies before Mizora's offer. If you don't try to save him before her deal, he's alive but her offer basically is: Ravengard's location in exchange for Wyll soul. We don't even know if he's gonna be alive, so who would accept that? Like... why he's not dead already when you refuse her offer? I mean, why even bother?

"rest in peace, et cetera, bla bla bla" dayum girl got no chill

"Mizora, I've come to bargain" "You've come to die"

Really interesting, thank you for sharing. It's great that videos like this exist because otherwise I'd be stuck making hundreds of games to explore all the outcomes lol

In my first playthrough, I didn't ever go to Gortash's coronation, so Duke Ravengard was part of the Gortash boss fight. I SPECIFICALLY dealt a passive-non-lethal melee attack to him, but he erupts in flames and dies anyway. The characters even acknowledge that "that blow wasn't supposed to kill him!" Mizora shows up all smug and gives the offering of the pact and it's pretty clear that she went out of her way to make sure Ravengard dies so she could have an ace up her sleeve for Wyll's contract.

If the Duke died, then surly his tadpole would have gone?