How STRONG is TIER HARRIBEL? Did She DESERVE to be the THIRD ESPADA? | Bleach Discussion

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-Hallibel : Ok so in base form i'm stronger than Bankai Hitsugaya ? -Kubo : Yes -Hallibel : ok then why do i use resurreccion ? -Kubo : to win even faster -Hallibel : Ok make sense. I was already stronger, resurreccion make you 5 to 10 time stronger, which mean i win in what... 2sec ? -Kubo : 1sec -Hallibel : ok great, whos my next opponent ? -Kubo : actually hes not dead because he used this ice clone ability -Hallibel : Mmmmmok... can he do it again ? -Kubo : No he can use it only once. -Hallibel : Then i will just OS him again in 1sec, no big deal -Kubo : No, now you lose the fight -Hallibel : Bro what ?

"Since when were you under the impression I wasn't using Daiguren Hyorinmaru?" - Hitsugaya, probably.

There’s so much you can do with water powers, kubo had the perfect opportunity to give halibel a pressure cutter but he didn’t do it

Here's my theory; Harribel is a water user who survived in Hueco Mundo. Hueco Mundo is a desert. This would shape her fighting style. She can generate water on her own, but it takes time. So her go to tactic is to stall a fight out until the battlefield suits her. Every time she launches an attack, it shifts things in her favor. Hitsyaga mentioned it. He thought she was waiting for the battlefield to change before unleashing her ultimate attack. Only he shows that unlike her, he doesn't have to wait, and summons storm clouds. You were correct. She did very well early on. Then she saw Yamamoto scorch her Fraccion. She says she's going to get revenge on him, and to that end...she's going to need alot of water. And Hitsugaya is the perfect opponent for her. His attacks will add fuel to her own. He will add water to the landscape until the point there is more than enough for her to truly unleash her power. She was using him.

It also doesn't help her case the fact that her own fracciones did a more impressive display on Fake Karakura with Ayon defeating four lieutenants and forcing Yamamoto to intervene

One of my biggest issues is that Toshiro was the one who said that Vasto Lordes were stronger than Captain Class Shinigami, and yet he was able to defeat a Vasto Lorde ARRANCAR which is way stronger. I always thought it was odd that Kubo picked him to be fighting one of the top 3 Espada since he’s more on the lower end of the Captains. I feel the same for Soi Fon on how she was chosen to fight Barragan.

My biggest criticism of kubo is deff how he handled the top espada even other ones in comparison to the top quincy

That ice clone is EGREGIOUS 😭 c'mon Tosh, that's RIGHT out of Aizen's playbook

Kubo handled the Espada pacing terribly, but it is made quite clear that Harribel is much stronger than Nnoitra at least.

It didn’t help that Halibel was up against someone that perfectly counters her in pretty much every way. She controls water, Toshiro turns that water into ice, etc. Come to think of it, this happened to a lot of the Espada. Zommari, Szyellaparro, and Halibel all got beaten this way. They were all scissors and the soul reapers always had a rock.

Her fight with Toshiro is easily one of the worst, weirdest fights I've ever read.

I personally think that she deserves her spot as 3rd place, but I can see why ppl see her as weaker then ulq. She was defeated by Toshiro, but the fact she took zero damage the whole arc until aizen dealt with her is something ppl forgot. She was dominating the fight against toshiro in base form and even forced him to rush to bankai. Then she goes into resurcion and becomes weaker ? Which was a weird writing choice by Kubo. But even being frozen by Toshiro's then strongest attack, she breaks out by wonderweiss and is seen to have taken no damage. Then she takes on Lisa, Toshiro and Hiyori with no problem. In short: I still think she derserves her spot, it's just that Kubo's writing on her and Toshiro's fight was bad compared to the others

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My thing about harribel is that her most powerful attack during the arc needed time to build up. Her and toshiro talked about how they were waiting for the atmosphere to fill with enough moisture to do their most powerful attack. Segunda etapa ulquiorra doesn't have that problem. He could use lanza del rampago as much as he wanted. That alone is a massive disadvantage to her.

This fight, this fight right there, Hitsugaya X Halibel, was the moment I came to despise one character. I really, really hate it when the author forces a character to win just because, or dumb down his opponent for no reason OR overpowers a character for him to win. Yes, I'm looking at you too Kenpachi.

Yeah tbh it's less that Harribel doesn't deserve her spot, it's that Hitsugaya didn't deserve to get such an impressive showing after his two previous washes against the arrancar. The whole fight is just awful, neither side really hurting each other until she gets frozen lol.

I feel like Ulquiorra’s ranking in the Espada with Segunda Etapa is one of those things that Kubo really needs to clarify in Klub Outside, otherwise I can imagine the debate would go on forever.

Short answer is that Harribel at worst would have been 4th Espalda not factoring in Ulquiorra's Etapa Secondo. She is significantly more versatile or more powerful than anyone else below him. There are two things that must be noted as factors: 1. Hollows are stronger in Hueco Mundo than anywhere else 2. Their rankings were based on their raw power Harribel was a Vasto Lord one of four in the army. Yami is entirely a mystery. Harribel's skill set is honestly pretty good, she has coverage for multiple ranges, has shown the flexibility to be able to use all of the ranges, and most importantly can properly pace herself. This previously stated flexibility is also why ultimately she looks bad here. She doesn't have a plain broken ability or a stupidly high amount of power. She doesn't specialize in any one type of battle either. Hitsuguya was a horrible match up for her because although I would rank both him and Soifon as lower tier captain's power wise he is on the upper end of that scale and as mentioned in the video has a perfect counter. That said she still is in an awkward position because of her lack of specialty that she has issues with the captains.

Had the Ice Clone thing not happened and Hitsugaya been taken out even temporarily to be healed, she'd have looked better in the long run even if the events played out the same upon his return.