What Creates Consciousness?

Excellent moderation Brian! You’ve shown immense nuance and deliberate moderation technique to showcase how such difficult conversations can be held with two of the (arguably) greatest minds we have at present in the field of consciousness - David and Anil. Looking forward to more My personal view is that the day the AI systems are able to self bootstrap and say today im not feeling well and not answer any of your questions is the day i would accept that machines have finally achieved “human-like-consciousness”; until that happens - i would not

It seems reasonable to think that there is no cut off to specify the “exact point” at which consciousness is suddenly created. Rather it may be that consciousness is a smooth transition which grows with increasing complexity and in parallel to entanglement of energy and the increasing complexity of matter. Consciousness evolves as all else in the universe.

Thank you Dr. Green for bringing the two top-of-the-line thinkers together in this debate. Commenting on the issue of whether we know 'mass' and 'charge' fully, I am reminded of my economics teacher's definition of 'money', "Money is what money does!". If mass and charge and money are all accepted as fundamental entities for use by us; there is perhaps a case for 'consciousness' as well which we have been using for our existence since we emerged!!

Interviewing is becoming a fine art. Brian is superb here. Compare with what was broadcast even ten years ago, were are in a golden age

Everyone here acting like Chalmers is some crazy person needs a reality check. He is one of the most influential philosophers of all time, and Anil even said at the start that his field has largely been defined by Chalmers ideas.

Good to see these three together. I'm in the Anil Seth camp.

And ending the show with "all my prompts to AI chat are respectful" 😂😂

A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence – the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future – right down to the minutest particles of dust – each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter – I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects – including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars – none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down – Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists – including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them – our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant – our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma – and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory – whenever we experience or express our emotions – or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law – Renge – Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho – these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination – Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge – or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter – as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication – perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us – all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux – constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ – the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation – rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge – and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu – which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives – as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives – even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances – turn them into positive ones – or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are – regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect – the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self – this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things – such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally – rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within – including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time – to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

Loved this! So far I had experienced each of these individuals presenting, interviewing in their own fields. Great to see and listen to them bunched together in conversation, combining thereby their backgrounds into something refreshing new, perhaps evolving view of things, or becoming aware and concious of!

I think humans think too much of themselves (and their consciousness), but at the same time that's their strength in forming their legacy. We're so deluded that we end up doing crazy shit.

Brian Green is an amazing host, well prepared, to the point, respectfull etc.

A tough question to answer but what satisfied me was to borrow a phrase from John Wheeler regarding mass and curved space, where he said, Mass tells space how to curve and space tells mass how to move. For consciousness you could say, Consciousness collects resources to predict outcomes and the outcomes tell consciousness what resources to collect.

Gosh, I absolutely love these videos

p.s. I think useful lines of enquiry are around the 'meta-problem' of consciousness (i.e. the problem of explaining why we think that there is a problem). Daniel Dennett and David Chalmers have both written useful stuff on the meta problem.

thanks for this opportunity.

I'm with Anil on this. Consciousness is definitely biological. And even if it could be created artificially, I don't think we'll have discovered something world-changing. I mean, chicken and cows are conscious, do we care while eating them? The fact that we can consume other consciousnesses so casually only highlights our selfishness, which is the root of our fascination with our own (just our own) consciousness (or something smarter than us). Ultimately, it's just survival of the fittest. Occam's razor.

“Consciousness is that in which all things appear. Consciousness is that with which all things are known. Consciousness is that out of which all things arise.” ~ Rupert Spira This particular definition is provisional and parallels the quantum field theory. When each declared, “I am conscious,” it was a declaration of the one shared consciousness and the most accurate description of a unified reality. “If I speak, I lie. If I remain silent, I am a coward.” ~ Zen Master “Science is imagination in a straitjacket.” ~ Richard Feynman

Love this type conversations that challenges and expands my understanding and knowledge. Anil especially expanded my understanding - or perhaps, my biases. We, as a species, are facing evermore complexity in trying to understand "this" .

Mary would be excited to see a red tomato. Because all her scientific predictions and conclusions were proved as true. It resembles to me the excitement we all had when we got the first image of blackhole. Even thou it was mathematically predicted 100 years ago scientists and regular people were so excited.

I think we first need to be clear in defining consciousness if we want to avoid going round and round and getting nowhere. To me, it is not the same as self awareness or reflectivity and yet discussions frequently end up acting as if self awareness us what we're talking about.